Spherical coordinates and triple integrals

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function $\displaystyle f = e^{(x^2+y^2+z^2)^{3/2}}$ over the region defined by $R = \left\{x \ge 0, y \ge 0, z \ge 0, x^2+y^2+z^2 \le 1\right\}$ using spherical coordinates. Participants are exploring how to express the region $R$ in terms of spherical coordinates, specifically the ranges for $\theta$, $\phi$, and $r$.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about how to determine the ranges for $\phi$ and $\theta$ in spherical coordinates for the specified region $R$.
  • There is a suggestion to analyze the transformation equations $x = r\sin \phi \cos \theta$, $y = r \sin \phi \sin \theta$, and $z = r\cos \phi$ to understand the algebraic representation of the angles.
  • One participant expresses doubt about the complexity of the transformation equations and their utility in visualizing the problem algebraically.
  • Another participant reflects on their struggle with visualizing dimensions greater than two and suggests that reliance on visualization may not be effective for higher dimensions.
  • Concerns are raised about the challenges of integrating in higher dimensions and the need to trust mathematical methods over visual intuition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the determination of the angles in spherical coordinates and whether the algebraic approach is effective. There is no consensus on how to best visualize or approach the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the Jacobian for spherical coordinates as a complex aspect that may complicate the integration process. There is also an acknowledgment of the limitations of visualizing higher-dimensional spaces.

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Suppose $\displaystyle f = e^{(x^2+y^2+z^2)^{3/2}}$. We want to find the integral of $f$ in the region $R = \left\{x \ge 0, y \ge 0, z \ge 0, x^2+y^2+z^2 \le 1\right\}$.

Could someone tell me how we quickly determine that $R$ can be written as: $R = \left\{\theta \in [0, \pi/2], \phi \in [0, \pi/2], r \in [0,1]\right\}$?

I get that $r \in [0,1]$. But I don't know how to determine $\phi$ and $\theta$. I'd prefer an algebraic explanation, if possible.
 
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Rorschach said:
Suppose $\displaystyle f = e^{(x^2+y^2+z^2)^{3/2}}$. We want to find the integral of $f$ in the region $R = \left\{x \ge 0, y \ge 0, z \ge 0, x^2+y^2+z^2 \le 1\right\}$.

Could someone tell me how we quickly determine that $R$ can be written as: $R = \left\{\theta \in [0, \pi/2], \phi \in [0, \pi/2], r \in [0,1]\right\}$?

I get that $r \in [0,1]$. But I don't know how to determine $\phi$ and $\theta$. I'd prefer an algebraic explanation, if possible.

1st Octant. How much is swept getting from the positive x-axis to the positive y-axis?
 
tkhunny said:
1st Octant. How much is swept getting from the positive x-axis to the positive y-axis?

I see. Is there a way to see it algebraically from the equations $x = r\sin \phi \cos \theta, ~ y= r \sin \phi \sin \theta, ~ z= r\cos \phi$?
 
Rorschach said:
I see. Is there a way to see it algebraically from the equations $x = r\sin \phi \cos \theta, ~ y= r \sin \phi \sin \theta, ~ z= r\cos \phi$?

Just off the top of my head, I would guess those three expressions are too complicated to help most folks "see it algebraically" - whatever that means.

You can sort of talk yourself into the "r" part of polar / cylindrical coordinates, but the Jacobian for this one is an entirely different animal.

I defer to the multi-dimensional musers for additional input.
 
tkhunny said:
Just off the top of my head, I would guess those three expressions are too complicated to help most folks "see it algebraically" - whatever that means.

You can sort of talk yourself into the "r" part of polar / cylindrical coordinates, but the Jacobian for this one is an entirely different animal.

I defer to the multi-dimensional musers for additional input.
I think my attempt to get this done algebraically is misguided.

The main reason I wanted to do it algebraically is because anything greater than 2 dimensions is a challenge for me to visualise. I know there are standard ways to graph it etc, but it just doesn't click. I'm probably spatially challenged. But I'll have to endure, it seems.
 
Rorschach said:
I think my attempt to get this done algebraically is misguided.

The main reason I wanted to do it algebraically is because anything greater than 2 dimensions is a challenge for me to visualise. I know there are standard ways to graph it etc, but it just doesn't click. I'm probably spatially challenged. But I'll have to endure, it seems.

This is where the bad news comes in. If you have been relying on visualization to this point, you'll have to start giving it up. That MAY work for 3D, but what's your plan for 4D and above. I have seen projected representations of 5D objects in a 4D spatial construct, but you don't want to walk around with that in your head. Learn to trust your methods, your processes, your extensions, and yourself. It does take more work without your eyes.
 

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