Spin Angular Momentum and Operators

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The discussion revolves around the application of angular momentum operators, specifically the raising operator \( J_+ \), in the context of quantum mechanics. Participants are exploring how to derive expressions related to these operators and their effects on eigenstates of \( J_z \), particularly for the case of \( j = 3/2 \).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Some participants suggest applying the operator \( J_+ \) to individual eigenstates of \( J_z \) to derive the desired expressions. Others mention using the completeness relation as a potential method to simplify the problem. There is also a discussion on the implications of using different approaches and the elegance of the methods proposed.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various methods being explored. Some participants express confusion regarding the application of the completeness relation and the operators involved. There is a mix of suggestions and attempts to clarify the steps needed to solve part a of the problem, but no consensus has been reached yet.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the amount of direct assistance they can provide. There is an emphasis on understanding the application of operators and the mathematical framework surrounding angular momentum in quantum mechanics.

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Homework Equations



##J_+|j,m⟩ = ћ\sqrt{j(j+1)-m(m+1)} |j,m+1⟩##
##J_-|j,m⟩ = ћ\sqrt{j(j+1)-m(m-1)} |j,m-1⟩##
##J_z|j,m⟩ = mћ |j,m⟩##
##J^2|j,m⟩ = ћ^2j(j+1) |j,m⟩##

The Attempt at a Solution



Hi there,

For part a, the expression we're looking for is given, but I'm unsure as to how to derive it from the equation for ##J_+## given above. Any help would be very much appreciated.
 
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Try applying the expression you're given for J_+ in part a) to each of the eigenstates of J_z individually.
 
samjohnny said:
For part a
You can use the completeness relation for the space in question, the space of angular momentum ##j=3/2##, which is ##\sum_m |m\rangle \langle m| = \mathbf{1}## with ##m=-3/2,-1/2,1/2,3/2##. Since this relation is equal to an identity operator, you can place it wherever and how many times you want around an operator without altering the operator itself.
 
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blue_leaf77 said:
You can use the completeness relation for the space in question, the space of angular momentum ##j=3/2##, which is ##\sum_m |m\rangle \langle m| = \mathbf{1}## with ##m=-3/2,-1/2,1/2,3/2##. Since this relation is equal to an identity operator, you can place it wherever and how many times you want around an operator without altering the operator itself.
This is unnecessary. Simply apply J_+ to the J_z eigenstates and use the fact that the eigenstates are orthogonal (i.e., \langle m | m' \rangle = \delta_{mm'}).
 
TeethWhitener said:
This is unnecessary.
It's just another and, in my opinion, more elegant way of doing the problem.
 
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samjohnny said:
For part a, the expression we're looking for is given, but I'm unsure as to how to derive it from the equation for ##J_+## given above. Any help would be very much appreciated.

You can also look at this from a more general Linear Algebra point of view. In general, if you have a basis ##(e_i)## then ##|e_i> <e_j|## is an operator that picks out the ##j^{th}## component of a vector (##v_j##) and outputs a vector ##v_j e_i##. And, in fact, the set of all such operators is a basis for your operator space.

You can, therefore, express any operator as a linear combination of these ##|e_i> <e_j|## operators. If you think about what the raising and lowering opertors do, you may see that they are well suited to being expressed in this basis. In this case, the ##(e_i)## are the states with ##m = \pm \frac{1}{2}, \pm \frac{3}{2}##
 
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vela said:
It's just another and, in my opinion, more elegant way of doing the problem.
Ok I'm thoroughly confused. How the heck do you solve part a of this problem using the completeness relation? I guess it's a little too elegant for me.
 
TeethWhitener said:
Ok I'm thoroughly confused. How the heck do you solve part a of this problem using the completeness relation? I guess it's a little too elegant for me.
The simplest way is to start with TeetWhitener's advice. First thing first: do you know how to apply the operator given in the answer to each of the ##J_z## states? For example, what do you get if you apply it to ##|1/2\rangle ## ?
 
nrqed said:
The simplest way is to start with TeetWhitener's advice. First thing first: do you know how to apply the operator given in the answer to each of the ##J_z## states? For example, what do you get if you apply it to ##|1/2\rangle ## ?
I think TeethWhitener knows how he would solve it using his own advice. ;)
 
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vela said:
I think TeethWhitener knows how he would solve it using his own advice. ;)
AH! My bad! Hehehe...
 
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TeethWhitener said:
Ok I'm thoroughly confused. How the heck do you solve part a of this problem using the completeness relation? I guess it's a little too elegant for me.
Fo any operator A, you may write
## A = \sum_{n,m} |n\rangle\langle n| A |m\rangle \langle m| ##
Knowing the effect of the operator on each basis state then yields the result.
 
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TeethWhitener said:
Ok I'm thoroughly confused. How the heck do you solve part a of this problem using the completeness relation?
##J_+ = J_+ \cdot \mathbb{1}## where ##\mathbb{1}## is the identity operator. Use blue_leaf's suggestion for the identity operator.
 
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Many thanks for all the replies. Hearing of both methods was very helpful.

Just on a final note, for the last part of the question, part d), I'm applying the expression given for ##J_+## to ##|ψ⟩## as it's given in d). However 'm ending up with:

##J_+|ψ⟩= \frac{h}{2\sqrt{2}} (\sqrt{3}|3/2⟩ - 2|1/2⟩ - 3|-1/2⟩ ) ##

Not sure if I'm approaching the question in the right way.
 
  • #14
##\hat{J}_x##, not ##\hat{J}_+##.
 
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vela said:
##\hat{J}_x##, not ##\hat{J}_+##.

D'oh!
 

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