Spin Matrices for Multiple Particles

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The discussion revolves around the properties and formulations of spin matrices for multiple particles in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the case of three particles with the same spin. The original poster questions the structure of spin matrices and their generalization for N particles.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to establish a pattern in the construction of spin matrices for multiple particles and seeks confirmation on their formulation. They also explore the generalization of these matrices for N particles, raising questions about the notation and dimensions involved.

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The discussion includes confirmations of initial assumptions about the spin matrices for three particles. Participants are examining the implications of notation and dimensionality in the context of Kronecker products. There is an ongoing exploration of the properties of eigenvalues and eigenvectors related to the constructed matrices.

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Participants are addressing potential mistakes in notation and dimensionality, particularly concerning the identity matrices and their subscripts. There is also a mention of the complexity involved in calculating eigenvalues and eigenvectors for the resulting matrices.

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I have two questions, but the second is only worth asking if the answer to the first is yes:
Are the spin matrices for three particles, with the same spin,
σ ⊗ II,
I ⊗ σ ⊗ I
and
II ⊗ σ
for particles 1, 2 and 3 respectively, where σ is the spin matrix for a single one of the particles?

I know that the spin matrices for two particles are
σ ⊗ I and
I ⊗ σ
for particles 1 and 2 respectively, so I am guessing that the same is the case for when there are more than two particles.
 
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Yes, it is.
 
Nice - thanks for the quick answer ;)

What I was wanting to ask was whether the following is a way to generalise the spin matrices for each of N particles:

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Where w is the direction, a is the matrix/particle number, N is the number of particles and dim(V) = (2s + 1)^N, where s is the spin of each particle (1/2 for spin 1/2, 1 for spin 1 etc.).
 
You have to check again what the notations used in that expression mean. For instance, does the first ##I_{dim(V)}## means that it is actually a series of (Kronecker) product of ##a-1## individual identity matrices? If yes, then ##dim(V) = 2s+1##, that is, the dimension of the spin space corresponding to a single particle.
I think that is indeed the case there since the dimensions of the first and second ##I## are denoted identically.
 
Ah yes, I made a mistake there - yeh, the subscript of the identity matrices should be just 2s+1, and the a-1 and N-a under the brackets are the number of Kronecker/tensor products to have - for example, for 8 spin 1 particles, the 3rd matrix would be:

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...which is a rather large matrix...
 
There is a problem though:

If I add together the three spin matrices (z-direction) for 3 spin 1/2 particles, I get:
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But surely it should be:
upload_2015-7-19_13-12-31.png
 
It doesn't really matter as long as you remember, which eigenvector (when you have to calculate it) belongs to which eigenvalue. For example the eigenvector ##(0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0)^T## belongs to eigenvalue ##-\hbar## in the upper matrix, but belongs to ##\hbar## in the lower one.
 

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