Spin of an Electron: Meaning & Quantum Number

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The discussion revolves around the concept of electron spin, specifically its meaning and implications in quantum mechanics. Participants explore whether spin refers to the z component of spin angular momentum, the spin quantum number, or other interpretations, as well as the physical analogy of spin.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that electron spin can refer to various concepts, including spin angular momentum, z component of spin angular momentum, or spin quantum number, depending on the context.
  • It is proposed that when referring to "spin 1/2," it indicates the quantum number for the magnitude of intrinsic angular momentum, while "spin up" or "spin down" relates to the z-component quantum number.
  • Participants express confusion about whether the electron is literally spinning like a macroscopic object, with some arguing that it is misleading to visualize it as a spinning sphere.
  • One participant emphasizes that the term "spin" is more of a mathematical construct rather than a literal description of electron behavior, suggesting that it might be better to think of it as a distinct property called quantum spin.
  • Another participant mentions the Stern-Gerlach experiment as a relevant example to understand the implications of electron spin.
  • There is a discussion about how spin affects the behavior of electrons in magnetic fields, with references to the distribution of charge and its separation from mass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of electron spin, with multiple competing views and ongoing confusion regarding its physical meaning and implications.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the ambiguity in definitions of spin-related terms and the challenge of relating quantum properties to classical analogs. The discussion reflects varying interpretations and understandings of the concept of spin.

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What does the spin of an electron mean?
Is it the z component of the spin angular momentum or the spin quantum number?
 
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It means that it has a particular behavior when it goes through an asymmetric magnetic field... "as if" it had a magnetic dipole. The "z-component" is the amount of the dipole along the z-axis (determined by the apparatus).
 
What I wanted to ask is, whenever we refer to the word spin for an electron, which of the following does it mean:
Spin angular momentum
z component of spin angular momentum
Spin quantum number
 
Any or all of the above - depending on context.
 
When we say the electron is "spin 1/2" we refer to the quantum number ##s## for the magnitude of the intrinsic angular momentum.

When we say an electron is "spin up" or "spin down" we refer (indirectly) to the quantum number ##m_s## for the z-component of the intrinsic angular momentum (+1/2 or -1/2).
 
This is something that confuses me. Are we saying that the electron is literally spinning on its axis, like a spinning top, or the Earth, or is it incorrect for me to think of the electron from a spherical perspective?
 
Cody Richeson said:
This is something that confuses me. Are we saying that the electron is literally spinning on its axis,
No.
... is it incorrect for me to think of the electron from a spherical perspective?
Yes. - at least, it would be inaccurate and possibly misleading to think of an electron as a spinning sphere.

QM has a lot of terms for things that don't make a lot of literal sense. In this case, the word is used because the property being described has similar math to that resulting from rotating charge distributions. But that's just the math. There is no (other) indication that electrons have an uneven charge distribution. Think of it as a nick-name.
 
Aniket1 said:
What does the spin of an electron mean?
Is it the z component of the spin angular momentum or the spin quantum number?

It has very little to do with spin as we know it. It is just a name, so things will be easier if you forget about spin and think of it as something entirely new called quantum spin.

Even Richard Feynman was unable to explain it simply, so I'm not going to try. I'd recommend looking at the Stern-Gerlach experiment, then maybe at the polarization of light.
 
Cody Richeson said:
This is something that confuses me. Are we saying that the electron is literally spinning on its axis, like a spinning top, or the Earth, or is it incorrect for me to think of the electron from a spherical perspective?

Spin has no macroscopic analog, but I like to picture it as more of a "quality" of the particle, and how it reacts with polarization. Up and Down spins effects can be seen by passing electrons through a B field (where up and down spins will be attracted to different poles) because the distribution of charge on a particle is separate from its mass (what Simon Bridge said).
 

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