Spin-Orbit Coupling in Hydrogen Atom: Understanding the Calculation

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The discussion revolves around the concept of spin-orbit coupling in the hydrogen atom, specifically addressing the calculation of the magnetic field produced by the proton and its relation to the electron's angular momentum. Participants reference a textbook on quantum mechanics and explore the implications of these interactions.

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  • Participants discuss the derivation of the magnetic field and its dependence on the electron's angular momentum. Questions arise regarding the treatment of current in quantum mechanics and the relativistic effects on periodic time from different reference frames.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the derivation and questioning the assumptions about the relationship between angular momentum and magnetic field direction. Some guidance has been offered regarding the reference frame and the nature of the calculations involved.

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There is mention of non-relativistic quantum mechanics as a framework for the discussion, indicating that relativistic effects may not be considered in this context.

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Why we calculate the magnetic field of the proton (B) using the angular momentum of the electron (L)?
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Why we had to do this calculations in the rest frame
of the electron?
I was reading in the Book: Introduction to Quantum Mechanics by David J. Griffiths. In chapter Time-independent Perturbation Theory, Section: Spin -Orbit Coupling. I understood that the spin–orbit coupling in Hydrogen atom arises from the interaction between the electron’s spin magnetic moment, and the proton’s orbital magnetic field B. But I did not understand why He calculated the magnetic field of the proton (B) using the angular momentum of the electron (L)! Please see the attached pictures. Thank you!
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You can answer your question by looking at the derivation. The expression ##B=\dfrac{\mu_0I}{2r}## gives the B-field at the center of a loop of radius ##r##. That is why one starts in the reference frame of the electron. The question then is, what do we do with the current ##I## which is not a quantum mechanical operator? The answer to that is, cast the current in terms of the angular momentum of the electron which is a quantum mechanical operator. One can use the angular momentum of the electron ##L=m_evr## because the period ##T## of the electron around the proton is the same as the period of the proton around the electron.
 
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kuruman said:
You can answer your question by looking at the derivation. The expression ##B=\dfrac{\mu_0I}{2r}## gives the B-field at the center of a loop of radius ##r##. That is why one starts in the reference frame of the electron. The question then is, what do we do with the current ##I## which is not a quantum mechanical operator? The answer to that is, cast the current in terms of the angular momentum of the electron which is a quantum mechanical operator. One can use the angular momentum of the electron ##L=m_evr## because the period ##T## of the electron around the proton is the same as the period of the proton around the electron.
I though the periodic time and the radius of the rotation are affected by the relativistic motion, so the periodic time from the point view of the electron will be different from the point view of the proton.
 
Viona said:
I though the periodic time and the radius of the rotation are affected by the relativistic motion, so the periodic time from the point view of the electron will be different from the point view of the proton.
This is non-relativistic quantum mechanics.
 
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kuruman said:
You can answer your question by looking at the derivation. The expression ##B=\dfrac{\mu_0I}{2r}## gives the B-field at the center of a loop of radius ##r##. That is why one starts in the reference frame of the electron. The question then is, what do we do with the current ##I## which is not a quantum mechanical operator? The answer to that is, cast the current in terms of the angular momentum of the electron which is a quantum mechanical operator. One can use the angular momentum of the electron ##L=m_evr## because the period ##T## of the electron around the proton is the same as the period of the proton around the electron.
Yes the period the same. But The direction of the angular momentum is parallel to the direction of the magnetic field, then the electron orbital momentum vector should point to the opposite direction?
 
Viona said:
then the electron orbital momentum vector should point to the opposite direction?
Why would it point in the opposite direction?
 
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DrClaude said:
Why would it point in the opposite direction?
Sorry, the electron's orbital momentum points in the same direction of the magnetic field. Thanks!
 

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