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The discussion revolves around the problem of placing 6 points in a plane to minimize the ratio of the maximum distance to the minimum distance among these points. Participants explore various configurations and mathematical approaches to determine the smallest possible ratio and the proof of its tightness, addressing both theoretical and exploratory aspects of the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that for three points, an equilateral triangle achieves a max/min ratio of 1.
  • For four points, configurations including a point inside an equilateral triangle and a square are discussed, with a square yielding a ratio of \(\sqrt{2}\).
  • Another participant mentions that a regular pentagon provides a ratio of about 1.62 for five points.
  • For six points, a regular hexagon results in a ratio of 2, while a configuration with a regular pentagon and an additional point at the intersection of angle bisectors achieves a ratio of about 1.9.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about proving a lower bound for the ratios, particularly for the case of four points.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of Apollonius circles to maintain an invariant ratio of distances while optimizing the configuration.
  • A different approach is proposed involving the assignment of max/min ratios to configurations of remaining points, suggesting the use of calculus to find critical points, although noting potential issues with differentiability.
  • Concerns are raised about the continuity of the function representing the configurations, with mention of cusps and the optimal configuration potentially being at a cusp.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views and approaches to the problem, with no consensus reached on the optimal configuration or the proof of the tight bound.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight limitations in their approaches, such as the non-differentiability of the function representing configurations and the challenges in proving lower bounds for specific cases.

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Place 6 points in the plane, such that ratio of maximum distance / minimum distance (over these points) is as small as possible. The question is - what is the smallest ratio possible, and can we prove this is a tight bound? The following is my attempt for 6 (and fewer points):

1) For three points, we can clearly achieve max dist / min dist = 1 (equilateral triangle)

2) For four points, I tried 2 configurations - a point inside a triangle (couldn't do better than \sqrt{3} doing that though, using an equilateral triangle and it's centroid) . Also, I got a better result with a square (I got \sqrt{2} , with the maximum length side being the diagonal). I think that should be improvable though?

3) For five points, the best I got was with a regular pentagon (about 1.62).

4) For six points, a regular hexagon was NOT the best distribution - that gave a ratio of 2 between largest and smallest distance. The best I got was a regular pentagon, with the sixth point at it's intersection of angle bisectors - about a ratio of 1.9. Any way to improve this, and (more trickily) prove it's tight? My source says \sqrt{3} is the tight bound?

I guess where I'm most stuck is proving a lower bound; i.e, you can't do better than x - I'm not sure how to get started there, even for the n = 4 case. If anyone has ideas or strategies, I'd really appreciate.

P.S: This isn't a homework or coursework problem - just a random puzzle from Rutgers problem solving seminar website.
 
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We can use Appolonious circles. Given two points A,B ,moving a third point P such that
PA/PB is invariant & P is as 'evenly' spaced with respect to other points as possible.
It follows that the configuration with the minimal no. of different distances is the optimal.
( We could keep equalizing the distances reducing the max/min ratio).
 
Thank you Eynstone, that was very helpful :).
 
What Eynstone said is better, but I'll go ahead and post the idea I had, too. We can place the first two points arbitrarily. Then assigning the value of the max/min ratio to each possible configuration of the remaining n-2 points defines a continuous function from R^(2n-4) to R (almost--you have to either adjoin infinity to the range or exclude configurations with coincident points). Then you might be able to use calculus tools to identify critical points.
 
That function will be continuous but it will not be differentiable everywhere. There will be cusps. Even worse, the optimal configuration will be precisely at a cusp.
 

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