Spring Constant Force Problem Help

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the spring constant in relation to the force applied to a spring, specifically whether the spring constant changes with varying forces. The subject area is primarily focused on mechanics, particularly Hooke's Law and the behavior of springs.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between force and spring compression, questioning whether an increase in force affects the spring constant. Some express uncertainty about the definitions and implications of the spring constant, while others attempt to clarify the nature of Hooke's Law.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the definitions and equations related to spring behavior. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the spring constant and its constancy, with some participants suggesting that it remains constant while others question this assumption. Clarifications about the equations involved are being made, but no consensus has been reached.

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Some participants are grappling with the implications of applying different forces to the same spring and the resulting effects on the spring constant. There is also a focus on the linearity of springs and the conditions under which Hooke's Law applies.

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Homework Statement
If you apply a greater force, will the spring constant remain the same, increase, or decrease?
Relevant Equations
PEe=1/2kx^2
I'm leaning towards the same, or maybe increase. I actually have no clue.
 
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Thana said:
Homework Statement: If you apply a greater force, will the spring constant remain the same, increase, or decrease?
Relevant Equations: PEe=1/2kx^2

I'm leaning towards the same, or maybe increase. I actually have no clue.
What is your reasoning for that? Say it in your own words.
 
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When you increase the force the spring compresses more, so the spring Constant increases? Spring Constant is the resistance.
 
The term constant in spring constant is a clue!
 
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Thana said:
When you increase the force the spring compresses more, so the spring Constant increases? Spring Constant is the resistance.
Resistance to what? What equation comes to mind that involves the spring constant? What is the definition of each term in this equation?
 
F=-k/x is hooke's law.
force, spring Constant, and displacement. so if we set x=2 and solve for k if force is 2 and 4, the k would be 1 and 2, so it increases?
 
Thana said:
F=-k/x is hooke's law.
No, F=-kx
Thana said:
so if we set x=2 and solve for k if force is 2 and 4, the k would be 1 and 2, so it increases?
How can the same extension applied to the same spring result in two different forces?
 
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If spring is linear, then F = kx and k is the same, a constant. Greater force gives greater deflection but k is constant and the same, as long as it is a linear spring.
 
deajohn said:
If spring is linear, then F = kx and k is the same, a constant. Greater force gives greater deflection but k is constant and the same, as long as it is a linear spring.
Actually F=-kx. The negative sign is important because it says that the force F is always opposite to the displacement x, i.e. the force is restoring.
 
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Thana said:
F=-k/x is hooke's law.
force, spring Constant, and displacement.
The value of the spring constant is found experimentally.
For linear springs, it is a constant of proportionality between force on the spring and its deformation.

Please, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooke's_law#Formal_definition

1280px-Hooke%27s_Law_wikipedia.png
 
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Thana said:
so if we set x=2 and solve for k if force is 2 and 4, the k would be 1 and 2, so it increases?
How can the force change from 2 to 4 if the value of x stays constant? Are you picturing in your mind the spring?
 
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kuruman said:
Actually F=-kx
Not if by F you mean the magnitude of ##\vec{F}##. The correct expression is ##F_x=-kx##.
 
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Mister T said:
Not if by F you mean the magnitude of ##\vec{F}##. The correct expression is ##F_x=-kx##.
"F" in F = - kx is the symbol standing for a one-dimensional vector and can be positive when x < 0 or negative when x > 0. This convention is also the case in other 1-D equations such as
x = x0 + v0 t + ½ a t2
where all the algebraic variables except t represent one-dimensional vectors that can have positive or negative values.

Strictly speaking, you are right. However, it is customary to omit the subscript when vectors are either parallel or antiparallel. In the case of F = - kx, the minus sign locks "antiparallel" in the expression.
 

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