Square Of A Number Is Non-negative

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The discussion revolves around proving that the square of a number is always non-negative. The initial proof attempts to demonstrate this by considering cases for positive, negative, and zero values of a number. While the proof correctly identifies that squaring a negative number results in a positive outcome, it fails to explicitly address the case when a is greater than zero. Participants emphasize the importance of clearly stating all cases and the need to confirm the validity of mathematical properties used in the proof. Ultimately, the discussion highlights the necessity of comprehensive reasoning in mathematical proofs.
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Hello, I am seeking some aid in proving that the square of a number is always non-negative. Here is some of my proof:

A number, call it a, is either positive, negative, or zero. A number squared is produced when you take the number and multiply it by itself. So, we have three cases to consider.

When a < 0:

If a < 0, then 0 - a > 0; and so, 0 - a = -a must be in the set of positive numbers. If -a is in the set of positive numbers, then, by property P12 (Closure under multiplication: If a and b are in P, then a • b is in P), (-a)(-a) must be in the set of positive numbers, implying that it is a positive number, and the negative signs may vanish. (-a)(-a) = a x a = a^2 > 0.

Initially, I thought that this proof would be valid; but as I went along further along, I developed an inkling of a feeling that it was not so.

What is wrong with the proof of the case a > 0?
 
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The only thing "wrong with the proof of the case a> 0" is that the "proof" says nothing about a> 0! You say "when a< 0" but give no other case.

Of course, if a> 0 then "property P12" itself immediately tells you that a*a is positive.
 
No, I intentionally did not include the case when a > 0, because I had ran into trouble with the case when a < 0. Just to be clear, my proof for the case a < 0 is valid?
 
Bashyboy said:
No, I intentionally did not include the case when a > 0, because I had ran into trouble with the case when a < 0. Just to be clear, my proof for the case a < 0 is valid?

That depends on what properties you are permitted to use. You say that (-a)*(-a) = a^2 (true!), but have you already been given this, or is this yet again another thing that needs to be proved first?
 
Bashyboy said:
A number, call it a, is either positive, negative, or zero.

OR ... imaginary. Are you leaving those out on purpose? You didn't say so.
 
The difficulty I am having with my proof is when I state, "If a < 0, then 0 - a > 0; and so, 0 - a = -a must be in the set of positive numbers." Doesn't that mean that -a is a positive number, and clearly not a negative number, implying the next step I proceed is simply the multiplication of two POSITIVE numbers, (-a)(-a), which doesn't prove anything about the multiplication of two NEGATIVE numbers? Or am I wrong, and my initial proof is correct?
 
I'm not sure what mathematical rules you're allowed for the proof, but perhaps these statements could be used:

(+1)(a) = a
(-1)(a) = -a
(+1)(+1) = 1
(-1)(-1) = 1
((a)(b))(c) = (a)((b)(c)) ; multiplication is associative
 
Bashyboy said:
The difficulty I am having with my proof is when I state, "If a < 0, then 0 - a > 0; and so, 0 - a = -a must be in the set of positive numbers." Doesn't that mean that -a is a positive number, and clearly not a negative number, implying the next step I proceed is simply the multiplication of two POSITIVE numbers, (-a)(-a), which doesn't prove anything about the multiplication of two NEGATIVE numbers? Or am I wrong, and my initial proof is correct?

No, it proves exactly what you want. It all hinges on whether or not you know or are allowed to use the property a*a = (-a)*(-a). Remember me asking about that in my first response? You never gave an answer.
 
I am terribly Sorry, Ray, for not having answered your question. Yes, I am able to use the fact that
a*a = (-a)*(-a)
 
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Bashyboy said:
I am terribly Sorry, Ray, for not having answered your question. Yes, I am able to use the fact that
a*a = (-a)*(-a)

No need to apologize: the question was for your benefit, not mine.
 

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