Square Of A Number Is Non-negative

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The discussion revolves around proving that the square of a number is always non-negative, focusing on the cases of positive, negative, and zero values of a number. Participants explore the implications of squaring negative numbers and the properties of multiplication.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the validity of a proof concerning the case when a number is negative, questioning the assumptions made about properties of multiplication and whether certain mathematical properties can be used. There is also a consideration of whether imaginary numbers should be included in the discussion.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants clarifying the conditions under which certain mathematical properties can be applied. There is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity regarding the assumptions and properties allowed in the proof.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the mathematical rules that can be utilized in the proof, particularly regarding the relationship between negative and positive numbers when squared. There is also mention of the potential exclusion of imaginary numbers from the discussion.

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Hello, I am seeking some aid in proving that the square of a number is always non-negative. Here is some of my proof:

A number, call it a, is either positive, negative, or zero. A number squared is produced when you take the number and multiply it by itself. So, we have three cases to consider.

When a < 0:

If a < 0, then 0 - a > 0; and so, 0 - a = -a must be in the set of positive numbers. If -a is in the set of positive numbers, then, by property P12 (Closure under multiplication: If a and b are in P, then a • b is in P), (-a)(-a) must be in the set of positive numbers, implying that it is a positive number, and the negative signs may vanish. (-a)(-a) = a x a = a^2 > 0.

Initially, I thought that this proof would be valid; but as I went along further along, I developed an inkling of a feeling that it was not so.

What is wrong with the proof of the case a > 0?
 
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The only thing "wrong with the proof of the case a> 0" is that the "proof" says nothing about a> 0! You say "when a< 0" but give no other case.

Of course, if a> 0 then "property P12" itself immediately tells you that a*a is positive.
 
No, I intentionally did not include the case when a > 0, because I had ran into trouble with the case when a < 0. Just to be clear, my proof for the case a < 0 is valid?
 
Bashyboy said:
No, I intentionally did not include the case when a > 0, because I had ran into trouble with the case when a < 0. Just to be clear, my proof for the case a < 0 is valid?

That depends on what properties you are permitted to use. You say that (-a)*(-a) = a^2 (true!), but have you already been given this, or is this yet again another thing that needs to be proved first?
 
Bashyboy said:
A number, call it a, is either positive, negative, or zero.

OR ... imaginary. Are you leaving those out on purpose? You didn't say so.
 
The difficulty I am having with my proof is when I state, "If a < 0, then 0 - a > 0; and so, 0 - a = -a must be in the set of positive numbers." Doesn't that mean that -a is a positive number, and clearly not a negative number, implying the next step I proceed is simply the multiplication of two POSITIVE numbers, (-a)(-a), which doesn't prove anything about the multiplication of two NEGATIVE numbers? Or am I wrong, and my initial proof is correct?
 
I'm not sure what mathematical rules you're allowed for the proof, but perhaps these statements could be used:

(+1)(a) = a
(-1)(a) = -a
(+1)(+1) = 1
(-1)(-1) = 1
((a)(b))(c) = (a)((b)(c)) ; multiplication is associative
 
Bashyboy said:
The difficulty I am having with my proof is when I state, "If a < 0, then 0 - a > 0; and so, 0 - a = -a must be in the set of positive numbers." Doesn't that mean that -a is a positive number, and clearly not a negative number, implying the next step I proceed is simply the multiplication of two POSITIVE numbers, (-a)(-a), which doesn't prove anything about the multiplication of two NEGATIVE numbers? Or am I wrong, and my initial proof is correct?

No, it proves exactly what you want. It all hinges on whether or not you know or are allowed to use the property a*a = (-a)*(-a). Remember me asking about that in my first response? You never gave an answer.
 
I am terribly Sorry, Ray, for not having answered your question. Yes, I am able to use the fact that
a*a = (-a)*(-a)
 
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Bashyboy said:
I am terribly Sorry, Ray, for not having answered your question. Yes, I am able to use the fact that
a*a = (-a)*(-a)

No need to apologize: the question was for your benefit, not mine.
 

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