Square Roots of Complex Numbers: Which Method is Correct?

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the square root of complex numbers, specifically the expression (e^{i 2 \pi})^{1/2}. Participants explore different methods of evaluation, the implications of multi-valued functions, and the nuances of exponentiation in complex analysis.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants present two methods for evaluating (e^{i 2 \pi})^{1/2}, yielding different results: Method 1 gives -1, while Method 2 gives 1.
  • Others argue that both methods are "wrongish" but that both answers can be considered correct due to the multi-valued nature of exponentiation.
  • A participant emphasizes that exponentiation is not a single-valued function and suggests that a principal value must be selected for consistent results.
  • Some contributions highlight that non-integer exponentiation leads to complexities and that the interpretation of expressions is crucial to avoid logical errors.
  • There is discussion about the implications of using principal values versus multi-valued outputs in the context of complex integrals.
  • Participants debate the validity of the square root function and its definition, with some asserting that it should return only the principal root, while others argue for the inclusion of both positive and negative roots.
  • One participant suggests that the context of the problem can influence which value (e.g., -1 or e^{i \pi}) should be used in calculations.
  • There is contention regarding the laws of exponents, particularly in cases involving negative bases and non-integer exponents.
  • Some participants express confusion over the use of the "plus or minus" symbol in square roots, with differing opinions on its necessity and application.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct method for evaluating the square root of complex numbers, with multiple competing views remaining on the interpretation of exponentiation and the definition of square roots.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in the understanding of multi-valued functions and the implications of different definitions of exponentiation and square roots. There are unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of how to handle complex integrals.

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I have two ways of evaluating (e^{i 2 \pi}) ^{1/2}, and they give me different answers. Which one is correct, and why is the other wrong?

Method 1: (e^{i 2 \pi}) ^{1/2} = e^{i \pi} = -1

Method 2: (e^{i 2 \pi}) ^{1/2} = 1^{1/2} = 1
 
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Proofrific said:
I have two ways of evaluating (e^{i 2 \pi}) ^{1/2}, and they give me different answers. Which one is correct, and why is the other wrong?
Both workings are wrongish, but both answers are right. The problem is that exponentiation is not a function; it's what is sometimes called a "multi-valued function": to each input value, there can be more than one output values.

If you want to turn it into a function, you have to select a principal value. It's common to define it in terms of Exp and Log, a standard choice of principal value for the exp and log functions.

Otherwise, you have to learn how to deal with expressions being multi-valued.
 
(a^b)^c does not equal a^{bc}. In the case where b and c are integers, they are, but not in general.

Forget the exponentials and consider

((-1)^2)^\frac{1}{2} = 1^\frac{1}{2} = 1 versus ((-1)^2)^\frac{1}{2} = (-1)^1 = -1

Non-integer exponentiation is messy stuff. Multi-valued expressions can't be properly handled algebraically. Alternatively, using the principal value might not be what the problem is asking for. Wording on the problem is important and you need to keep in mind what each expression "means" at a higher level to avoid silly errors in logic.
 
Tac-Tics said:
Wording on the problem is important and you need to keep in mind what each expression "means" at a higher level to avoid silly errors in logic.

I'm not sure how to determine the "meaning" of a problem I'm working on. It comes from calculus of residues, where I'm trying to evaluate the integral:

\int_0^\infty \frac{x^{\mu-1}}{x + 1} dx .

So, I'm using the complex integral

\oint \frac{z^{\mu-1}}{z + 1} dz ,

where the cut line goes from the origin to the right, and the closed contour looks like Pacman eating to the right.

Clearly, I need to determine the poles of the function that we're integrating. There is only one (simple) pole at z = -1. But, if I use that, I get the wrong answer. But, using e^{i \pi}, I get the correct answer (the exponents are turned into a sine function).

Any ideas how this context reveals whether -1 or e^{i \pi} should be used?
 
People say often exponentation cannot be done, but the a good answer would rather be how it can be done and how one should extend the rules of exponentiation in order to make the theory consistent again.

I don't know the mathematically correct approach. My suggestion is to keep in mind the "hidden one" for exponentiations.
a^b=(a\cdot 1)^b=a^b\cdot 1^b=a^b e^{2\pi\mathrm{i}kb}
Therefore for non-integer exponents you always get a multi-value-factor \exp(2\pi \mathrm{i} bk)
So in both cases your answer will be the set {+1,-1}.

Not sure exactly how to deal with the contour integral problem :)
So that I can follow the answers later: can you explain the contour again, i,e. (0,0)->(0,\infty)->?
Is the integral vanishing on all parts of the contour but the real axis?
 
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Tac-Tics said:
(a^b)^c does not equal a^{bc}. In the case where b and c are integers, they are, but not in general.

I think what you mean to say is that (a^b)^c only equals a^{bc} for all a>0, but not necessarily when a<0

For instance (3^{2.7})^{1.4} does equal 3^{2.7 \times 1.4} = 3^{3.78}

Also, when you stated that ((-1)^2)^\frac{1}{2} = (1)^\frac{1}{2} = 1 you were forgetting that (1)^\frac{1}{2} = \sqrt{1} = \pm1
 
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Upon further research and review, I see that (a^b)^c = a^{bc} is, in fact, one of the laws of exponents.
 
zgozvrm said:
you were forgetting that (1)^\frac{1}{2} = \sqrt{1} = \pm1

No, this is incorrect.

The \pm 1 answer comes from the multi-valued function as stated in this thread already. It does not come from \sqrt{1}=\pm 1
The square root function is defined to be the principal root, i.e. the positive root only.
 
Both answers are correct, since either answer, squared, gives 1. The function you have quoted allows the user to plot n complex nth roots of 1 on a circle of radius 1, centred at (0,0), on the complex plane.
For example consider the 4th root of 1. it's easy to see that 1^4=1, so 1 is its own 4th root. But (-1)^4 also =1, so it must be a 4th root of 1 too. The same goes for i^4 and (3i/4)^4, which completes the list of 4th roots of 1.
Using your function, you can plot the n nth roots of 1.
I remember how pretty some of the animated patterns were that the roots made when plotted on a pixillated screen, which caused moire effects

sorry, my computer crashed before I could correct my typo, it's not 3i/4 I meant, but 1^3.
 
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Mentallic said:
No, this is incorrect.

The \pm 1 answer comes from the multi-valued function as stated in this thread already. It does not come from \sqrt{1}=\pm 1
The square root function is defined to be the principal root, i.e. the positive root only.

Apparently, your version of the quadratic formula is different from everyone else's. I'm wondering just why is it that they decided to put that pesky "plus or minus" symbol in there anyway? Oh yeah, it's because of the square root function.

If you need a refresher, look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_root

You have that backwards. It's actually: the principal root of the square root function is the positive root only.
 
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zgozvrm said:
Apparently, your version of the quadratic formula is different from everyone else's. I'm wondering just why is it that they decided to put that pesky "plus or minus" symbol in there anyway? Oh yeah, it's because of the square root function.

If you need a refresher, look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_root

You have that backwards. It's actually: the principal root of the square root function is the positive root only.
If \sqrt{\ } was multi-valued, you wouldn't need the \pm. :-p

Anyways, y'all are quibbling over irrelevancies. \sqrt{\ } is defined precisely how the context defines it -- some authors will prefer to restrict it to positive real arguments only and be single-valued, some authors will restrict it to be the principal square root, and some authors will use it for the two-valued square root.
 
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The problem with defining \sqrt{1}=\pm 1 is that you have no way of writing if you mean only one particular square root. So I prefer saying
<br /> x^2=1<br />
Now the square root returns only the positive value. So to invert the square take square roots on both sides
<br /> \sqrt{x^2}=\sqrt{1}=1<br />
therefore (since the square root and square don't exactly cancel but give the module function instead)
<br /> |x|=1<br />
The solution to this equation is
<br /> x=+1<br />
OR
<br /> x=-1<br />
 
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zgozvrm said:
Apparently, your version of the quadratic formula is different from everyone else's...

My version is just fine.

But apparently, by your version, the quadratic formula is complete simply by x=\frac{-b+\sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a} since the square root function already gives us two values. As Hurkyl has already stated, there wouldn't be any point in showing that "pesky \pm" :-p

Hurkyl said:
and some authors will use it for the two-valued square root.
I have yet to see any authors use this approach except in complex numbers. It seems like more common practice to give the principal root only when dealing with real numbers and the opposite goes for complex numbers.
But then again, changing the rules around a bit (which aren't set in stone on this subject, it's just accepted as the norm) could be beneficial to suit each particular situation.
 

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