SR & Lorentz Scalar Fields: Covariant Diff. & Wave Amplitude

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of covariant differentiation in Special Relativity (SR) and its relation to non-Cartesian coordinate systems, particularly spherical polar coordinates. Additionally, participants explore the concept of Lorentz scalar fields and the implications for wave amplitudes across different inertial frames.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether covariant differentiation exists in SR and how it applies to non-Cartesian basis vectors, such as spherical polar coordinates.
  • Another participant confirms that covariant differentiation is necessary for non-Cartesian coordinate systems and references texts that introduce Christoffel symbols in this context.
  • A third participant clarifies that the need for covariant differentiation is not unique to Minkowski space but applies to any non-affine coordinates in regular Euclidean space.
  • A participant expresses interest in the treatment of wave amplitudes as Lorentz scalar fields and questions why wave amplitude is not subject to Lorentz contraction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the necessity of covariant differentiation in non-Cartesian coordinate systems, but the discussion regarding wave amplitudes and Lorentz scalar fields remains unresolved, with no consensus on the implications of Lorentz contraction.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully explored the assumptions regarding the treatment of wave amplitudes in different frames, nor have they resolved the mathematical implications of Lorentz contraction in this context.

dyn
Messages
774
Reaction score
63
Hi. In GR , covariant differentiation is used because the basis vectors are not constant. But , what about in SR ? If the basis vectors are not Cartesian then they are not constant. Does covariant differentiation exist in SR ? And are for example spherical polar basis vectors which are not constant treated differently to Cartesian basis vectors in SR ?

Another question I have is regarding Lorentz Scalar Fields. I have read that a wave can be treated as a Lorentz scalar field which means that its amplitude in one frame is the same as measured in any other inertial frame but why is the wave amplitude not Lorentz contracted ?
Thanks
 
Physics news on Phys.org
dyn said:
But , what about in SR ? If the basis vectors are not Cartesian then they are not constant.
Yes, it is needed with non-Cartesian coordinate systems. Some texts use that as a gentle way to introduce the Christoffel symbols. IIRC, Schutz does that in 'A first course in General Relativity', with a chapter introducing Christoffel symbols et al, mostly focusing on polar coordinate systems, before he introduces curvature in the following chapter.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: bcrowell
Just to clarify further, this is nothing particular for Minkowski space - it is the case for any set of non-affine coordinates on a regular euclidean space as well.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: PWiz
Thanks. So if I was working with spherical polars in Minkowski space I would use covariant differentiation as the basis vectors are not constant.
Any thoughts on my problem with wave amplitudes and Lorentz scalar fields ?
 

Similar threads

Replies
5
Views
4K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
9K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
5K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
3K
  • · Replies 78 ·
3
Replies
78
Views
7K