[Srednicki] Charge Conjugation of Dirac Spinor

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The discussion revolves around charge conjugation of Dirac spinors as presented in Srednicki's Quantum Field Theory text, specifically focusing on equations related to CPT symmetries. Participants are examining the relationships between various forms of spinors and the charge conjugation operator.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the derivation of the second equation from the first, questioning the presence of an extra minus sign in their calculations. There is also a discussion about the distinction between the charge-conjugation operator and its matrix representation, which some participants find confusing.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the differences between the operator and matrix forms, which has led to clarifications regarding the calculations. Others have suggested reviewing specific chapters for better understanding. The discussion is ongoing with various interpretations being explored.

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There is mention of potential confusion due to the notation used for the charge conjugation operator and its matrix representation. Participants are also considering external resources to aid their understanding of the material discussed.

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Homework Statement


I am reading Srednicki's QFT up to CPT symmetries of Spinors
In eq. 40.42 of
http://web.physics.ucsb.edu/~mark/ms-qft-DRAFT.pdf
I attempted to get the 2nd equation:
C^{-1}\bar{\Psi}C=\Psi^{T}C

from the first one:
C^{-1}\Psi C=\bar{\Psi}^{T}C

Homework Equations



\bar{\Psi}=\Psi^\dagger \beta
where numerically \beta=\gamma^0

C^\dagger=C^{-1}=C^T=-C

The Attempt at a Solution



h.c. of the first equation:
C^{-1}\Psi^\dagger C=(C^{-1}\Psi C)^\dagger=(C\bar{\Psi}^T)^\dagger<br /> =(C(\Psi^\dagger \beta)^T)^\dagger=(C\beta\Psi^\ast)^\dagger=\Psi^T\beta C^\dagger=\Psi^T C\beta

So

C^{-1}\bar{\Psi}C=C^{-1}\Psi^\dagger \beta C=-C^{-1}\Psi^\dagger C \beta=-(\Psi^T C\beta) \beta=-\Psi^{T}C

I got an extra minus sign.

However, if I start from takingg transpose of the first equation I got the equation correctly.

What have I done wrong?

Also, for eq. 40.43
A is some general combination of gamma matrices.
Should it not be
C^{-1}\bar{\Psi}A\Psi C=\Psi^TA\bar{\Psi}^T
?

Why are there C's wedging A??

Thanks a lot
 
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cedricyu803 said:
I attempted to get the 2nd equation:
C^{-1}\bar{\Psi}C=\Psi^{T}Cfrom the first one:
C^{-1}\Psi C=\bar{\Psi}^{T}C
[...]
You seem to be using the same "C" on both sides on the equations. But they should be, e.g.,
$$C^{-1}\Psi C ~=~ \bar{\Psi}^{T} {\mathcal C} ~.$$(The "C" on the rhs is in caligraphic font.)

##{\mathcal C}## is a matrix. ##C## is a unitary representation of the charge-conjugation operator on this Hilbert space.

Maybe a review of ch23 would help to clarify this distinction?
 
Oh right. I wasn't aware of the difference between the operator and the matrix.
So the charge conjugation of \beta does nothing to it. That's why I got a minus sign.

Thanks very much!
 
There is a book out by partick labelle. It is a DeMystified book. But this one is really good. Called Supersymmetry. Chapters 2-4 cover Weyl, Majorana and Dirac Spinors. The book does it in a way that it writes out all the components of the matrices even the C one so you can really see what it going on. All the problems have solutions in the back. If you are that far in Srednicki's book you could probably read the three chapters and understand them in about a day. The book is cheap and those sections make it worth the price, since Srednicki will use it more through out the book. I found this book after Srednicki and I wish I had found it first. Then later if you want to do Supersymmetry go ahead. But it cover those topics like no other book I have ever seen, and those three chapters only focus on that subject. I think the level you are at you might want a really good understanding of those topics. Good Luck.
 
Thanks very much for your recommendation.

I will look for this book in a public library.

I am lucky to have been recommended Srednicki's book by my prof as well, after I told him I was having a hard time Peskin & Schroeder. Hopefully I can finish the whole book by the end of this semester.

Cheers

russelljbarry15 said:
There is a book out by partick labelle. It is a DeMystified book. But this one is really good. Called Supersymmetry. Chapters 2-4 cover Weyl, Majorana and Dirac Spinors. The book does it in a way that it writes out all the components of the matrices even the C one so you can really see what it going on. All the problems have solutions in the back. If you are that far in Srednicki's book you could probably read the three chapters and understand them in about a day. The book is cheap and those sections make it worth the price, since Srednicki will use it more through out the book. I found this book after Srednicki and I wish I had found it first. Then later if you want to do Supersymmetry go ahead. But it cover those topics like no other book I have ever seen, and those three chapters only focus on that subject. I think the level you are at you might want a really good understanding of those topics. Good Luck.
 

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