Standing waves - Wave Equation

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The discussion revolves around the derivation and understanding of the wave equation, specifically focusing on equation 4.4.4 and the implications of negative signs and phase changes in wave functions. Participants explore the mathematical representation of standing waves and the effects of boundary conditions on phase terms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the derivation of equation 4.4.4 and questions the necessity of negative signs in the equation.
  • Another participant explains that the negative sign in the wave equation is due to the direction of the reflected wave, which travels opposite to the incident wave, and that the choice of sign for the phase term is arbitrary.
  • A participant questions whether a simple phase change would suffice instead of the current formulation, indicating a lack of clarity on the role of phase changes.
  • Further clarification is provided that the phase change is influenced by the type of boundary conditions, such as fixed or maximum amplitude boundaries, and that the specific location of the boundary affects the phase term.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of the negative signs and phase changes, with some expressing confusion and others providing explanations that suggest differing interpretations of the wave equation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on boundary conditions and the arbitrary nature of phase choices, which may not be fully resolved in the current exchanges.

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I don't completely understand how equation 4.4.4 was derived and determined. I understand the derivation behind the basic wave equation 4.3.4 but not what happened in 4.4.4. Why is there a need for all the negative signs ? Would a simple phase change suffice ?

Please do be a bit detailed in your explanation... Pretend I'm an idiot. Thank you !

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Since the reflected wave travels in the opposite direction as the incident wave, you need to flip the sign on either the kx or the ωt term***. The author chose to reverse the sign of kx to make it -kx. There was already a - sign with -ωt. For the phase term, the choice of sign is arbitrary.

Just changing the phase would express a wave traveling in the same direction as the incident wave, but shifted in phase.

Hope that helps.

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*** This is because a rightward-traveling wave has the form f(kx-ωt) or f(-kx+ωt). A leftward-traveling wave has the form f(kx+ωt) or f(-kx-ωt).
 
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So I could equally have written kx+wt ? Why is there a need for the phase change ∅ ?
 
elemis said:
So I could equally have written kx+wt ?
Yes; see the edit added to my earlier post.
Why is there a need for the phase change ∅ ?
As the book says, the type of boundary will determine ∅. Usually the boundary is either fixed or has a maximum amplitude. Also, the location of the boundary plays a role in what ∅ is.

Eg., for a fixed end located at x=x0:

\cos(kx_0 + \phi /2) = 0

You'd solve that for ∅, given k and x0. Your book is taking the fixed end to be at x=0, so that simplifies things somewhat.
 

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