State Space: time dependent states but time-independent output

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The discussion focuses on representing a system with time-dependent states and time-independent output in state space form. The initial state transition matrix is provided, but there is uncertainty regarding the output matrix. It is noted that the proposed output representation could lead to issues when cosine equals zero, highlighting the need for a valid linear representation. The participants agree that state space representation is only applicable to linear systems, and sinusoidal functions do not meet this criterion. Ultimately, the conclusion emphasizes the necessity to modify the system or its representation to ensure linearity and time independence.
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Let:
$$x_1=A\sin{\omega t}$$ $$x_2=\dot{x}_1=A\omega \cos{\omega t}$$ $$y=A\omega$$
We want to represent this system in a state space model. The state transition matrix read:
$$A=\begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 &\\ -\omega^2 & 0 \\ \end{bmatrix}$$ I am not sure what the output matrix will be like. Can we say
$$y=A\omega=\frac{-x_2}{\cos{\omega t}}$$
So that:
$$C=\begin{bmatrix} 0 & \frac{-1}{\cos{\omega t}} \end{bmatrix}$$
 
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Looks good to me!
 
But this blows up if cos(x)=0, although the original output would not!
 
So one point that I overlooked, state space representation is really only valid for linear systems.
sinusoidal functions are not linear.
the state space representation also should not contain time as a variable, as it demonstrates how the system responds over time.

I was incorrect to say it looked fine :(
 
you need to modify your system, or representation of the system, such that it is linear and time independant
 
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