State Variable Method (Circuit Analysis)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the state variable method in circuit analysis, specifically addressing a homework problem involving a circuit diagram. Participants explore the formulation of equations based on Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) and the relationships between current and voltage in capacitors and inductors.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • The original poster describes their approach using KCL at a central node and derives expressions for currents and voltages in the circuit.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the necessity of including current and voltage sources in the analysis.
  • One participant notes that circuit analysis may not require extensive physics knowledge, framing it more as a problem-solving methodology.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the prerequisites for the course related to Physics 2.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the correctness of the original poster's solution, and multiple views exist regarding the relationship between physics knowledge and circuit analysis methodologies.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not resolved the correctness of the mathematical expressions derived by the original poster, and there are assumptions about the relevance of physics knowledge that remain unexamined.

Who May Find This Useful

Students studying circuit analysis, particularly those using the state variable method, and individuals interested in the relationship between physics and engineering methodologies.

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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations


V[itex]_{C}[/itex]' = dv/dt
I[itex]_{L}[/itex]' = di/dt

The Attempt at a Solution



I did KCL at the centre node:

I[itex]_{L}[/itex] + i[itex]_{2}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{V_{C}'}{5}[/itex]
(Vc'/5 is basically the current coming from the capacitor line to the centre node (from equation ic = Cdv/dt)

Re-arranging you get i2 = [itex]\frac{V_{C}'}{5}[/itex] - I[itex]_{L}[/itex]

I then look at the inductor voltage next, basically the inductor voltage is the voltage across the 10ohm resistor at the top minus the voltage across the capacitor, so:

V[itex]_{L}[/itex] = 10i[itex]_{1}[/itex] - V[itex]_{C}[/itex]

Now I substitute this into the standard equation for an inductor:

I[itex]_{L}[/itex]' = [itex]\frac{V_{L}}{L}[/itex]

Which gives us 10i[itex]_{1}[/itex] - V[itex]_{C}[/itex] = 2.5I[itex]_{L}[/itex]'

or i[itex]_{1}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{I_{L}'}{4}[/itex] + [itex]\frac{V_{C}}{10}[/itex]

Altogether now in state-space representation:

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/3282/img20120713191406.jpg


I'm not sure I've done this correctly because there is no Ia (Current source) or Va(voltage source) from the circuit diagram involved, also I'm not sure if my final expression in matrix form is correct.

Any help is appreciated.
 
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I got this class this fall and I'm starting to get rather scared. How much physics 2 did you need for this class?
 
Physics 2? I'm not sure what that is. I'm not in the USA.

You don't really need much pure physics for circuit analysis, it's all about employing the various methodologies taught, it's more like an algorithm for problem solving rather than "physics".
 
Okay that's what someone else said too. Hopefully someone can help you with this problem!
 
Anyone got any idea??
 

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