What does this voltmeter measure?

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The discussion revolves around the measurement of voltage across a capacitor in a circuit containing an inductor and a capacitor, where the current is sinusoidal. Participants explore different approaches to determine the effective voltage measured by a voltmeter across the capacitor.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a mathematical approach using Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) and phasors, concluding that the effective voltage across the capacitor is 0V, despite expecting it to be 2V.
  • Another participant suggests using a phasor diagram instead of a lengthy mathematical approach to analyze the circuit.
  • A later reply indicates that the phase difference between the voltages across the inductor and capacitor is π, leading to two possible scenarios for the effective voltage across the capacitor: either 0V or 2V.
  • Participants discuss that since the capacitance is not zero, the effective voltage across the capacitor is likely 2V.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effective voltage across the capacitor, with one participant concluding it is 0V based on their calculations, while others suggest it should be 2V based on the phase relationship in the circuit. No consensus is reached on the correct value.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the circuit configuration and the behavior of the components under sinusoidal conditions, which may not be fully resolved in the presented arguments.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals studying electrical circuits, particularly those interested in phasor analysis and the behavior of inductors and capacitors in AC circuits.

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Homework Statement


Consider the following circuit where i(t) is sinusoidal and exists across both components. (1) is an inductor and (2) is a capacitor. The ideal voltmeters measure effective value. What is the value measured by V2:

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The correct answer should be 2V

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3. The Attempt at a Solution [/B]

My attempt.
I know we can only apply KVL using phasors. The current phasor should be $$Ie^{j\theta}$$

The voltage across the inductor is $$\omega LIe^{j(\theta+\pi/2)}=V_1e^{j(\theta+\pi/2)}$$
The voltage across the capacitor is $$\frac{I}{\omega C}e^{j(\theta+-\pi/2)}=V_2e^{j(\theta-\pi/2)}$$

And the voltage across both components $$(\omega L-\frac{1}{\omega C})Ie^{j(\theta+-\pi/2)}=Ve^{j(\theta+\pi/2)}$$

And so applying KVL we get to

$$Ve^{j(\theta+\pi/2)}=V_1e^{j(\theta+\pi/2)}+V_2e^{j(\theta-\pi/2)}$$
$$Ve^{j\pi/2)}=V_1e^{j(\pi/2)}+V_2e^{j(-\pi/2)}$$

And dividing everything by $$\sqrt{2}$$

$$V_{eff}e^{j\pi/2)}=V_{1eff}e^{j(\pi/2)}+V_{2eff}e^{j(-\pi/2)}$$

Substituting by the known values

$$1e^{j\pi/2)}=1e^{j(\pi/2)}+V_{2eff}e^{j(-\pi/2)}$$
$$0=V_{2eff}e^{j(-\pi/2)}$$

And so $$V_{2eff}=0$$.

However the correct answer should be +2V.

Can someone help me to figure out my mistake? It's probably a conceptual mistake. Thanks!
 

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Instead of the lengthy mathemtical approach, why not try the phasor approach?
Draw the phasor diagram of the circuit.
What is the phase difference between VL and Vc in a series circuit?
 
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cnh1995 said:
Instead of the lengthy mathemtical approach, why not try the phasor approach?
Draw the phasor diagram of the circuit.
What is the phase difference between VL and Vc in a series circuit?

Hi!
Oh yes that's the better approach, I didn't thought about it, thanks!
The phase difference between the voltages across the inductor and the capacitor is \pi.
Since the overall effective voltage is 1 that leaves us with two options: the voltage on the capacitor is zero (this is the case when the overall voltage and the inductor voltage are on phase) or the voltage on the capacitor is 2V (and then the overall voltage is on phase with the capacitor voltage). Since the capacitance is not zero we go with the second option.
Is that right?
 
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Granger said:
Since the capacitance is not zero we go with the second option.
Is that right?
Yes.
 
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