Static Analysis of Bolts on Multiple Surfaces

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The discussion revolves around the static analysis of bolts used to support a load on a shaft, particularly focusing on the challenges posed by the bolts being located on multiple surfaces of a beam. Participants explore methods for combining analyses of different bolt faces and the implications of their configurations on load distribution and structural integrity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses the need to analyze bolts on multiple faces collectively, despite knowing how to analyze each face individually.
  • Questions arise regarding the substructure the bolts are securing, with clarifications about the materials involved, specifically aluminum framing.
  • There is a discussion about the configuration of bolts, including their presence on specific faces of the beam and whether they interfere with each other.
  • Concerns are raised about the accuracy of treating the centroid of each bolt face as an individual support reaction, with skepticism about its effectiveness in representing shear and bending stresses.
  • Participants discuss the need for force diagrams for each bolt and the implications of load distribution, including moments that counteract shaft rotation.
  • There is a suggestion to analyze the reactions of bolt groups and how each bolt contributes to the overall reaction, particularly in relation to vertical shear loads.
  • Additional considerations are mentioned regarding bolt engagement, bearing failure, edge distance, and the use of locking devices.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion features multiple competing views regarding the best approach to analyze the bolts and their interactions. Participants have not reached a consensus on the methodology or the implications of the bolt configurations.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the effectiveness of their proposed methods and the assumptions underlying their analyses. There are unresolved questions about the load distribution and the structural implications of the bolt placements.

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Engineers and designers involved in structural analysis, particularly those working with bolted connections in multi-surface applications, may find this discussion relevant.

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I am trying to analyze if the bolts in my design are sufficient to support the load on a shaft. Unfortunately, the bolts are not all located on one face, and though I know how to analyze each face by itself, but I would like to be able to combine them all into one problem. I have attached a rough sketch of the scenario for your reference, with each of the red dots representing a bolt location. Thanks in advance
 

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Can you provide us with some idea of the substructure the bolts are going through to hold the beam in place?
 
AZFIREBALL said:
Can you provide us with some idea of the substructure the bolts are going through to hold the beam in place?

The bolts will be going through a fairly rigid structure of extruded aluminum framing, and the beam is also made of aluminum.
 
Yes, that is almost exactly right, except the bolts are only present on the side nearest us, the bottom of the beam, and the back face of the beam which butts up to the support plate. I tried to put arrows on your drawing to make it more clear
 

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jsed said:
The bolts will be going through a fairly rigid structure of extruded aluminum framing, and the beam is also made of aluminum.
Like this?
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jsed said:
I know how to analyze each face by itself, but I would like to be able to combine them all into one problem
That invites the question: what did you do and what came out and why not just add up the three ?

Furthermore I am puzzled why post # 4 can be older than # 5 ?

Are the bolts all the way through -- as drawn in the side view it seems -- ? And they don't interfere with each other ?
 
So the top and side bolts do not go through? Is there an angle on the bottom of the beam attached to the plate?
 
BvU said:
That invites the question: what did you do and what came out and why not just add up the three ?

As far as what I am doing to analyze each "face" of bolts, I am basically using the concepts outlined in this web page: http://www.roymech.co.uk/Useful_Tables/Screws/Bolted_Joint.html

BvU said:
That invites the question: what did you do and what came out and why not just add up the three ?

Are the bolts all the way through -- as drawn in the side view it seems -- ? And they don't interfere with each other ?

AZFIREBALL said:
So the top and side bolts do not go through? Is there an angle on the bottom of the beam attached to the plate?

The bolts do not go through, they just screw into the beam itself, and they do not interfere with each other.
 
So the top and side bolts do not go through? Is there an angle on the bottom of the beam attached to the plate
BvU said:
That invites the question: what did you do and what came out and why not just add up the three ?

Furthermore I am puzzled why post # 4 can be older than # 5 ?

Are the bolts all the way through -- as drawn in the side view it seems -- ? And they don't interfere with each other ?
I withdrew my post to fix it...then re-posted.
 
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To expand on my thought process: I could use the current analysis methods I am using to analyze each face, but the supports from the other bolts not on the face currently being evaluated would have an affect on the face in question. Originally, I was considering treating the centroid of each face of bolts as an individual support reaction and then splitting up those forces among the bolts on that face, but I am not too confident that will give me an accurate representation of both shear and bending stresses in each bolt.
 
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jsed said:
Yes, that is almost exactly right, except the bolts are only present on the side nearest us, the bottom of the beam, and the back face of the beam which butts up to the support plate. I tried to put arrows on your drawing to make it more clear
No bolts on the top?
 
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AZFIREBALL said:
No bolts on the top?

Correct, no bolts on top
 
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jsed said:
Correct, no bolts on top
Is there a reason for this? They would do a better job of resisting the load than bolts on the bottom.
 
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AZFIREBALL said:
Is there a reason for this? They would do a better job of resisting the load than bolts on the bottom.
The beam that we have been discussing is more of a representation of an assembly of a few components. Due to the function of the assembly, I am not able to design it such that the bolts are attached on the top face.
 
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OK. Now we need to draw force diagrams for each bolt. Number the bolts and show us a diagram of the forces on each bolt as you see it.
 
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AZFIREBALL said:
OK. Now we need to draw force diagrams for each bolt. Number the bolts and show us a diagram of the forces on each bolt as you see it.

This is what I'm thinking. Each bolt provides a force in the same plane as the applied load, and each bolt provides moments that counteract the rotation of the shaft.
 

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jsed said:
This is what I'm thinking. Each bolt provides a force in the same plane as the applied load, and each bolt provides moments that counteract the rotation of the shaft.
Is the load off center of the beam as you show in the latest sketch?
Now we need to draw in-plane vector diagrams of each bolt's reaction to its load using the group centroids.
How are you handling vertical shear? (Should not be carried by bolts.)
 
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AZFIREBALL said:
Is the load off center of the beam as you show in the latest sketch?
Now we need to draw in-plane vector diagrams of each bolt's reaction to its load using the group centroids.
How are you handling vertical shear? (Should not be carried by bolts.)

Are you saying that I need to analyse the reactions of the centroid of each bolt group, and then analyze how each of the bolts contribute to that reaction?
As far as shear goes, the bolts will be handling the majority of the shear.
 
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jsed said:
Are you saying that I need to analyse the reactions of the centroid of each bolt group, and then analyze how each of the bolts contribute to that reaction?
As far as shear goes, the bolts will be handling the majority of the shear.
First question: Yes, that is right. Show directional vectors about the centroid and the resulting load directions carried by each fastener. Non-dimensional (Magnitude of load at each fastener location comes next)
Question 2: Is there an angle clip under the shaft at the attached end where 7 and 8 go through? That could carry the vertical shear load if the shaft sets on top of it.
Is the load off set, or centered on the shaft/beam?
 
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AZFIREBALL said:
First question: Yes, that is right. Show directional vectors about the centroid and the resulting load directions carried by each fastener. Non-dimensional (Magnitude of load at each fastener location comes next)
Question 2: Is there an angle clip under the shaft at the attached end where 7 and 8 go through? That could carry the vertical shear load if the shaft sets on top of it.
Is the load off set, or centered on the shaft/beam?

Thanks so much for your help.
To answer your question, there is an angled clip under the shaft to carry the vertical shear load. And the load is off set as well.
 
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jsed said:
The beam that we have been discussing is more of a representation of an assembly of a few components. Due to the function of the assembly, I am not able to design it such that the bolts are attached on the top face.
Changing the rules during the game ? Or just moving the goal posts ? What is it you want from PF ?
 
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Does this better represent the structure?
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Nice hand of drawing !
Bottom bolts seem pointless to me
 
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Thanks.
They are.
 
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jsed:

Other considerations:
If possible, bolts in tension should have at least two times diameter thread engagement.
If the bolt diameter is 1/2, the thread engagement should be one inch.
Use thick washers under all bolts in tension to reduce ‘pull-through’.
Where applicable, check each bolt connection for bearing failure and edge distance tear-out in its primary and adjoining structures.
Torque all fasteners to spec for type and size.
Consider the use of a head locking device or thread lock material.
Consider increase margin of safety for oscillatory (variable) loading, vibratory environment, aging in harsh environment or dissimilar materials.
 
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jsed said:
The bolts do not go through, they just screw into the beam itself, and they do not interfere with each other.
Technically then, they are screws not bolts.
A bolt is tightened by turning the nut while the head and shank do not rotate.
A screw is tightened by turning the head, to turn the shank, while the receiving female thread remains in place.

Since screws tend to have a lower clamping force than boltsscrews, with lower friction between the surfaces being held clamped, the analysis comes down to shear of the pins = the shanks that are screwed into the section.
 
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AZFIREBALL said:
jsed:

Other considerations:
If possible, bolts in tension should have at least two times diameter thread engagement.
If the bolt diameter is 1/2, the thread engagement should be one inch.
Use thick washers under all bolts in tension to reduce ‘pull-through’.
Where applicable, check each bolt connection for bearing failure and edge distance tear-out in its primary and adjoining structures.
Torque all fasteners to spec for type and size.
Consider the use of a head locking device or thread lock material.
Consider increase margin of safety for oscillatory (variable) loading, vibratory environment, aging in harsh environment or dissimilar materials.
Some additional considerations to add to the list above:
Design the fasteners such that it prevents any threads in bearing.
This is especially important for fasteners resisting a shear load.
Always have the full fastener diameter in the shear plane and the hole size and location as accurate as possible so that each fastener, in a group, takes up the load simultaneously.
Use the root diameter in calculating all tensional stresses.
 
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Sorry I have been MIA for a few days. Just wanted to thank everyone for their help with analyzing the stresses, as well as for all the extra information that I will be considering moving forward
 
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If possible, the bolt/screw shank should project across the connection interface in order to provide the maximum diameter for shear resistance.
 
  • #30
It is very difficult to assess the contribution of bolts 1,2. If you want the structure to be rigid, I recommend to ignore bolt 1,2 and just calculate bolts 3...6.

The surface connected by bolts 1,2 develope some friction, which in general is small. In order to calculate that friction, you need to calculate (using FEM probably) the deformation of all compoments of the assembly.

If you want the bolts 1,2 to be stressed by shear load, and have a rigid consolidation you should use pins instead of bolts. But it remains a bit difficult subject to calculate the whole connection.

Best regards
 

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