Static electric and magnetic fields and energy.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of whether static electric and magnetic fields tend towards minimal potential energy, particularly in the context of boundary conditions and configurations that satisfy Gauss's law. It explores theoretical implications and conditions under which this principle may hold for both electric and magnetic fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if static electric fields in a bounded source-free region have configurations that minimize energy, given defined boundary conditions.
  • Another participant asserts that Maxwell's equations can be derived from the principle of stationary action, implying a minimization of energy in time-independent cases.
  • A third participant confirms that for electrostatic fields in regions without free charge, configurations with the same boundary potential yield minimal energy solutions, noting that the electric intensity on the boundary is not fixed.
  • This participant also mentions that while the Gauss law is not strictly necessary for minimal energy solutions, it is a condition for fields that already meet the boundary conditions.
  • They further clarify that in the presence of linear dielectrics, the minimum energy theorem still applies, but the boundary conditions must specify the electric displacement.
  • A later reply expresses interest in obtaining a proof related to these concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the principle of minimization of energy for static electric fields under certain conditions, but there are nuances regarding the necessity of Gauss's law and the specific boundary conditions that apply. The discussion remains open regarding the magnetic fields.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about boundary conditions and the specific configurations of electric and magnetic fields. The discussion does not resolve the implications for magnetic fields or the necessity of Gauss's law in all cases.

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It is well known that all sorts of systems tend towards minimal potential energy. I was wondering if this applies to static electric fields also, i.e. is an electric field such that it's energy integrated over all space is minimal? For example if we have a bounded source free region and if the electric field on the boundary is defined, does the electric field inside have minimal energy of all possible configurations? With possible configurations I mean all such which follow the Gauss law, but not necessarily the other Maxwell's laws.

The same question for magnetic fields.
 
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Yes. Maxwell's equations can be obtained from the principle of stationary action. In the time-independent case, this reduces a minimisation of the energy, for the given boundary conditions.
 
This is true for the electrostatic field in a region where there is no free charge. The possible configurations are any electrostatic fields that have the same potential on the boundary surface. The electric intensity on the surface is not fixed, and the fields do not have to obey the Gauss law. If the field obeys the Gauss law and the boundary conditions, it is already the solution with minimal energy.

EDIT: This is true for vacuum. If we have linear dielectric and define energy by

$$
W = \int \frac{1}{2}\mathbf E\cdot\mathbf D dV
$$
the minimum theorem holds too, but the possible fields have to have the same electric displacement ##\mathbf D## on the boundary.
 
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Thanks for the answers. Does anyone have a link to a proof? I would be interested in reading it.
 

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