Statically indeterminate beam problem

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The discussion revolves around a statically indeterminate beam problem, focusing on the calculation of deflections and reactions at specific points (B and C) under various loading conditions. Participants are attempting to solve a homework problem related to beam deflection using superposition and are seeking clarification on their methods and calculations.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the assumed deflection at point B should be the difference in deflection between points B and C.
  • Another participant requests more detailed discussion regarding the separate solutions for the three loading problems referenced.
  • A participant provides a numerical calculation but notes it may not be necessary for others.
  • There is a discussion about expressing displacements at points B and C in terms of various parameters and solving for unknowns using linear algebraic equations.
  • Multiple participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their calculations and methods, specifically regarding the use of formulas from a reference list.
  • One participant presents a set of equations derived from their calculations, which leads to a specific solution for reactions at points B and C.
  • Another participant points out a discrepancy in the signs of their equations compared to another's, indicating a difference in results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the correctness of their approaches or the results of their calculations. There are multiple competing views regarding the methods used and the resulting equations.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion, such as missing details about the separate loading cases and the dependency on specific assumptions regarding the beam's properties and loading conditions. Some participants express difficulty in clearly presenting their formulas and calculations.

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Students or individuals interested in statically indeterminate beam problems, particularly those studying structural analysis or mechanics of materials, may find this discussion relevant.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


Beam problem
Deflection
Statically indeterminate

The Attempt at a Solution


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Am I correct? Or should the assumed deflection at B be the difference in deflection between B and C? Thanks
 

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It looks like you are solving this as the superposition of three separate loadings, but you don't provide enough information (text) about the separate solutions to the three loading problems. Please provide more detailed discussion, rather than just a reference to some table.
 
Sorry that i forgot to embed the reference here. The two photos are the reference i used.
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Here is the numerical calculation derived from post #1, that i thought you may not need it.
You can just take it as reference.
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Chestermiller said:
Please provide more detailed discussion,
Indeed, i have no idea with how to derive the formula from the cases in the reference. However, do you mind to tell me if my method of utilising the formulae correct?or should the assumed deflection at B be the difference in deflection between B and C? Thanks
 
What you need to do is express the displacements at B and C in the following form:

$$\delta_B=C_1W+C_2R_B+C_3R_C$$ and $$\delta_C=C_4W+C_5R_B+C_6R_C$$where the subscripted C's are obtained from the solutions to the separate problems in terms of the property- and geometric parameters. You then set ##\delta_B## and ##\delta_C## equal to zero and solve the results pair of linear algebraic equations for the two unknowns, ##R_B## and ##R_C##.
 
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Am i correct to calculate like this? Thanks
 

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Am i correct to calculate like this? Thanks
I haven't checked it over in detail (because it's hard to read a handwritten submission), but it looks like you now had the right idea.
 
sorry for unable to type all my formulae out.
I have got "δ=δW+δRB+δRC+δM" for B and C, for which each are using the formula from reference list.
thank you very much
 
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I get the following: $$\frac{R_B}{24}+5\frac{R_C}{48}=\frac{WL}{128}$$ and
$$5\frac{R_B}{48}+\frac{R_C}{3}=7\frac{WL}{(16)(24)}$$
This simplifies to:
$$R_B+\frac{5}{2}R_C=\frac{3}{16}WL$$and$$\frac{5}{2}R_B+8R_C=\frac{7}{16}WL$$

So, $$R_B=\frac{13}{56}WL$$
and $$R_C=-\frac{WL}{56}$$
 
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Well, the sign of my equations are different from yours, the answer is different...
 

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