Statics problem: A ramp is supported by two cables

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Homework Statement
The ramp ABCD is supported by cables at corners C and D. The tensile force in both cables is 420N. Determine the moment about point A produced by the force exerted at point C.
Relevant Equations
Moment at A (MA) = rGA x TCG.
Where rGA = GA/|GA|
TCG = 420N
Problem illustration:
3D diagram of a rectangular ramp slab in the XY plane with a Z axis up, corners labelled A (0,0,1), B (4.5,0,1), C (5.5,5,0), D, with cables from E and G to D and C; dimensions 4 m, 1 m, 4.5 m, 5 m and 1 m labelled.


The possible answers are:
Four multiple-choice answer options, each with an empty radio button, listing vector moments labelled Mc in i, j, k components: 411.84i - 2182.77j - 411.84k; 1647.38i + 2812.77j - 1853.3k; -1647.38i + 2812.77j + 1853.3k; -411.84i - 2182.77j + 411.84k.

I don't understand why it says Mc if it is asking for the moment at A, not C. But maybe I am getting something wrong.

So with the formulas I posted above, I have this:
Handwritten cross-product calculation of the moment about point A: M_A = r_GA × T_CG, with r_GA = -4.5i - 4k and T_CG = (-i - 5j + 5k)/√51 × 420 N, expanded as a 3x3 determinant and simplified to -1176.23i + 1558.51j + 1323.26k.
 
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Your mistake is that you insert ##r_{GA}## in the formula for the moment while you should insert ##r_{CA}##. It is the moment about point A, of the force that is applied at point C not at point G.

What you did is calculate the moment about A, of the force that is applied at point G which is not what is asked for. The forces at G and C might be equal in magnitude , but the point of application differs (and the direction reverses).
 
Delta2 said:
Your mistake is that you insert ##r_{GA}## in the formula for the moment while you should insert ##r_{CA}##. It is the moment about point A, of the force that is applied at point C not at point G.

What you did is calculate the moment about A, of the force that is applied at point G which is not what is asked for. The forces at G and C might be equal in magnitude , but the point of application differs (and the direction reverses).

Thank you for your answer Delta2. Was really helpful!

I understand what you mean. In fact the approach you mentioned is the one I thought first. I did it and the answer I got wasn't included on all the possible answers.

Handwritten derivation of the moment M_A = r_CA x T_CG, with r_CA = -5.5i - 5j + k, T_CG = (-i - 5j + 5k)/sqrt(51) times 420 N, and the cross product set up as a determinant giving -1,176.23i - 1,558.51j + 1323.26k.


The other approach I posted above, with the ##r_{GA}## was based on an example I found, asking the same thing of the same structure, but with different distance units. Why does ##r_{GA}## is used, instead of ##r_{CA}## ?

Worked calculation of the moment M_A = r_G/A x T_CG, with cross product matrix and result -(1242 N·m)i + (1458 N·m)j + (1852 N·m)k.


Update: As I suspected and mentioned before, the possible answers are wrong because they are referring to the moment ##M_C## and not ##M_A## .
 
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Well sorry , I now see that it is the same thing whether you take the arm to be ##r_{CA}## or ##r_{GA}## because it is ##r_{CA}=r_{GA}+r_{CG}## and when we take the cross product with ##T_{CG}## the term ##r_{CG}\times T_{CG}=0## vanishes. You indeed calculated both to be equal which verifies it.

I don't know why the answer doesn't match one of the options. It might be because they are referring to the moment ##M_C## as you say, i.e moment about point C.
 
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