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The discussion revolves around the concept of functionals in the context of calculus of variations, specifically focusing on the differentiability of a functional defined by an integral involving a continuous function and a parametrized curve. The original poster seeks to determine the stationary points of the functional.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster attempts to understand how to find stationary points of the functional and questions the applicability of the Euler-Lagrange equations. Some participants discuss the definition of stationary points and the implications of the differential being equal to the functional itself.

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Participants are exploring various interpretations of the problem, with some suggesting that the original poster's reasoning may need reconsideration. There is an ongoing examination of the implications of the functional's properties and the conditions under which stationary points can be determined.

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There is a mention of specific constraints regarding the differentiability of the curve and the nature of the functional, as well as references to lecture notes that provide definitions and context for the problem being discussed.

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Hello guys.

This is my first post at physics forums, so please be gentle :)

I am trying to understand functionals, so I am solving as many exercises from these lecture notes that I downloaded.

Homework Statement



Let f:[a,b]\rightarrow\mathbb{R}^k be a continuous function and define

\Phi(\gamma)=\int_a^b f(t)\cdot\gamma(t)dt,

where \gamma:[a,b]\rightarrow\mathbb{R}^k is parametrized curve. Show that \Phi is differentiable and equals its differential. Determine the stationary points of \Phi.

Homework Equations



Linearity: L(\alpha\gamma(t)+\beta\gamma'(t))=\alpha L(\gamma(t))+\beta L(\gamma'(t))

The Attempt at a Solution



I can show that the functional is differentiable and equals its differential by showing linearity of \Phi.

However, I don't know how to find the stationary points of \Phi. From what I understand, I have to find all \gamma\in C^1([a,b];\mathbb{R}^k) such that

\Phi(h)=0

for all h\in C^1_{0,0}([a,b];\mathbb{R}^k).

I have no idea how to do this, as I can't see how to use something like the Euler-Lagrange equations. Any help is appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Sardel
 
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I should probably say that the definition of stationary points given in the lecture notes is

If \Phi is a differential functional on D_{\Phi}=C^1([a,b];\mathbb{R}^k) we call \gamma\in D_{\Phi} a stationary point of \Phi if the differential d\Phi_{\gamma} vanishes on C^1_{0,0}([a,b];\mathbb{R}^k), i.e. d\Phi_{\gamma}(h)=0 for all h\in C^1_{0,0}([a,b];\mathbb{R}^k).

Further, C^1_{x,y}([a,b];\mathbb{R}^k)=\{\gamma\in C^1([a,b];\mathbb{R}^k)\mid \gamma(a)=x,\,\gamma(b)=y\}.

My problem is that the differential equals the functional itself, so d\Phi_{\gamma}(h)=\Phi(h), which does not depend on \gamma. Am I missing something?

Thanks,
Sardel
 
Can you give me the link to the lecture notes you download? I promess to have a look, but I don't understand many of the notations you're using...
 
The lecture notes are available here: http://www.math.ku.dk/~solovej/MATFYS/MatFys2.pdf" . All the other chapters are available as MatFys1.pdf through MatFys6.pdf, and the directory listing can be viewed for the directory /MATFYS/

The exercise I am trying to solve is Exercise 2.6 and everything relevant should be in chapter 2.
 
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The Euler-Langrange equations are not directly applicable since \gamma is maybe not C2. But I think you can apply the proof of the Euler-Lagrange equations.

If \Phi(h)=0 for every h\in C_{0,0}. Then \Phi(h_1,0,0,...,0)=0. Now apply the fundamental lemma of calculus...
 
Thank you.

By doing this, I end up with \gamma_1(t)=0 for all t\in[a,b] and analogously for \gamma_2,\ldots\gamma_k. Making (0,\ldots,0) the only stationary point of \Phi. Is this correct?
 
Oops... Actually, I think I get f_1(t)=0 for all t\in [a,b]. But I want to conclude somthing about \gamma, right? I think there is something fundamentally wrong with the way I am thinking about this.
 
No, there is nothing wrong. You indeed end up with f=0. Thus we can split up in cases. If f=0, then every point is stationary. If f is not 0, then no point is stationary...
 
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Ah ok, thank you very much.
 

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