Stationary points of y=-sinx+cosx

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The discussion revolves around finding the stationary points of the function y = -sin(x) + cos(x) within the domain -π < x < π. Participants are exploring the process of differentiation and the conditions under which stationary points occur.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants attempt to differentiate the function and set the derivative equal to zero to find stationary points. Questions arise regarding the correctness of their differentiation and the interpretation of stationary points in relation to the x-axis.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing various interpretations and corrections regarding the differentiation process. Some guidance has been offered on the proper notation and the concept of stationary points, but no consensus has been reached on the specific stationary points or their coordinates.

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There is some confusion regarding the notation used for differentiation and the relationship between stationary points and their positions relative to the x-axis. Participants are also questioning assumptions about the nature of stationary points in relation to the function's graph.

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Homework Statement


Solve the stationary points of y=-sinx+cosx for domain -pi<x<pi


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The Attempt at a Solution


Differentiate: d/dx=cosx+sinx But how do i solve?
 
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cosx+sinx=0
cosx=-sinx
1=-tanx??
 
ive got the answers as.. (-pi/4,-rt2) and (3pi/4, rt2) Are the answers wrong?

I don't know how they got these??

because surly the x co-ordinate is 0?
 
pip_beard said:

Homework Statement


Solve the stationary points of y=-sinx+cosx for domain -pi<x<pi


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


Differentiate: d/dx=cosx+sinx But how do i solve?
If y = -sinx + cosx, what is dy/dx? Note that it is incorrect to say "d/dx = ..."

If you meant dy/dx = ..., you have made a mistake. Try again.

Also, your notation is not correct. d/dx is an operator that is written to the left of some function. In contrast, dy/dx is the derivative of y with respect to x.
 
pip_beard said:
because surly the x co-ordinate is 0?
Why would you think this?
 
so therefore:

dy/dx=cosx+sinx.

stationary points when diff = 0

so cosx+sinx=0 where do i go from here??
 
Mark44 said:
Why would you think this?

because stationary points lie on the x axis??
 
pip_beard said:
because stationary points lie on the x axis??
x-values lie on the x-axis, but stationary points lie on the curve, which might not even touch the x-axis. For example, the only stationary point on the graph of y = x^2 + 1 is at (0, 1). This is not a point on the x-axis.
 
pip_beard said:
so therefore:

dy/dx=cosx+sinx.
No, dy/dx = -cosx - sinx

To find the stationary points, set dy/dx to zero.
-cosx - sinx = 0
==> cosx + sinx = 0
==> 1 + tanx = 0 (dividing both sides by cosx)
Can you continue?

pip_beard said:
stationary points when diff = 0

so cosx+sinx=0 where do i go from here??
 

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