Statistics using binomial expansion

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The discussion focuses on applying binomial expansion to calculate probabilities in a playoff series scenario. Participants express confusion over specific calculations related to the number of games played and the conditions for winning. Key points include understanding the probabilities for different game lengths, particularly how to derive the chances of a series going to six or seven games based on team performance. Clarifications are made regarding the binomial coefficients used in the calculations, emphasizing the importance of recognizing the win conditions for each team. Ultimately, the participants confirm that their calculations are correct, resolving the initial confusion.
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P(y)=(n c y)p^y(q^(n-y)) this is also uploaded


The Attempt at a Solution


My attempt at the first two parts is uploaded I am really confused on how to do game 6 and 7. Also I am a bit confused on how what I did worked in P(y=5), as the professor worked those parts out in class and I have forgotten since last class. Why is it 2 choose 1 is it because either team A or team B can win one game? Also why is it 4 choose 3, I am really lost on this part. So if I am assuming that they have played one game because the winning team has to win 4 total games, and the losing team has to win either game 1,2,3 or 4 and cannot win the last because the series would be over. Thus since they lost 1 they would have to play 4 more which is where the 4 on the top comes from, but why the three that would only be three wins thus they wouldn't win? Am I correct
 

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DODGEVIPER13 said:

Homework Statement


Uploaded


Homework Equations


P(y)=(n c y)p^y(q^(n-y)) this is also uploaded


The Attempt at a Solution


My attempt at the first two parts is uploaded I am really confused on how to do game 6 and 7. Also I am a bit confused on how what I did worked in P(y=5), as the professor worked those parts out in class and I have forgotten since last class. Why is it 2 choose 1 is it because either team A or team B can win one game? Also why is it 4 choose 3, I am really lost on this part. So if I am assuming that they have played one game because the winning team has to win 4 total games, and the losing team has to win either game 1,2,3 or 4 and cannot win the last because the series would be over. Thus since they lost 1 they would have to play 4 more which is where the 4 on the top comes from, but why the three that would only be three wins thus they wouldn't win? Am I correct


Look at what happens when A wins the series; just multiply that probability by two because the teams are evenly matched. So, assume A wins in the following.

Suppose the playoffs last 4 games. Then A must win all 4; what is the probability of that?

Suppose the playoffs last 5 games. So, in the first 4 games, A must win 3 and B must win 1; then A wins game 5. What is the probability of that?

If the playoffs last 6 games, then in the first 5 games A must win 3 and B must win 2; then A must win game 6. What is that probability?

You can do it for 7 games.
 
Ok so I get p(y=6)=.3125 and p(y=7)=.3125 did I do something wrong?
 
A new attachment of what i have done so you can see clearly.
 

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DODGEVIPER13 said:
Ok so I get p(y=6)=.3125 and p(y=7)=.3125 did I do something wrong?
If it's undecided still after 5 games, what must the score be? What two equally likely scores will there be after the 6th game?
 
If its undecided after 5 it must be 3 games to 2 games. To win either team a or b must get 4 games to win so if team A has 3 going in the need to win for it be 6 and if team B has 3 going in they need to win for it to go 6. So what am I not seeing still?
 
So it's 3-2. The next game will make it 4-2 or 3-3 equally likely. So what does that mean about the relative probabilities of there being 6 or 7 games altogether?
 
DODGEVIPER13 said:
If its undecided after 5 it must be 3 games to 2 games. To win either team a or b must get 4 games to win so if team A has 3 going in the need to win for it be 6 and if team B has 3 going in they need to win for it to go 6. So what am I not seeing still?

In my first response I suggested you look at the playoff-length probabilities, assuming that A wins the series (then do the same, assuming that B wins). All such confusion would have been avoided if you had done that, but you chose to ignore the suggestion.
 
So 50 chance of game 6 and 50 percent chance of game 7. All vickson I'm sorry I am just trying to figure this out it takes a bit for me to understand what may be obviously clear to you, I didn't mean to upset you.
 
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DODGEVIPER13 said:
So 50 chance of game 6 and 50 percent chance of game 7. All vickson I'm sorry I am just trying to figure this out it takes a bit for me to understand what may be obviously clear to you, I didn't mean to upset you.

I am not upset, just surprised. What I was attempting to do was to help you see things more clearly, not to confuse you. I do believe the approach you are using just makes things harder.
 
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So I have been told by about 4 people my answer is correct are they wrong, now I am really confused?
 
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DODGEVIPER13 said:
So I have been told by about 4 people my answer is correct are they wrong, now I am really confused?

Your answers are correct. I was addressing before a message you posted about being confused. If you are no longer confused, that's great.
 
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Ok sweet thanks man
 

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