Winning and losing teams probability distribution

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The problem involves two teams playing a series of games until one team wins two more games than the other. The goal is to find the probability distribution of the total number of games played, denoted as Y, with the assumption that each team has an equal chance of winning each game.

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  • The original poster attempts to relate the total number of games played to the number of games won by each team, suggesting a potential binomial distribution approach. Some participants question the concept of "first passage time" in relation to Markov chains, indicating a lack of familiarity with that topic.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of Markov chains and generating functions, but there is no consensus on the approach due to differing levels of familiarity with the concepts involved.

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Participants note that they have not yet studied Markov chains, which may limit their ability to fully engage with the proposed methods for solving the problem.

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Suppose two teams play a series of games, each producing a winner and a loser, until one team has won two more games than the other. Let Y be the total number of games played. Assume each team has a chance of 0.5 to win each game, independent of results of the previous games. Find the probability distribution of Y.



The Attempt at a Solution



At first I thought I'd say that given that team A has had X games and team B has Z games, then Y=X+Z, and since it takes two more games for the winner to get, then Z=X+2, so Y=2x+2. Probability function would be then P(Y<=y)=P(Y<=2x+2) but I am not sure where to go from here...Also, was thinking that it may be a binomial, with (Y choose 2x+2)(0.5)^(2x+2)(0.5)^y where x=1,2,3...y.

Any input is appreciated!
 
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libragirl79 said:
Suppose two teams play a series of games, each producing a winner and a loser, until one team has won two more games than the other. Let Y be the total number of games played. Assume each team has a chance of 0.5 to win each game, independent of results of the previous games. Find the probability distribution of Y.



The Attempt at a Solution



At first I thought I'd say that given that team A has had X games and team B has Z games, then Y=X+Z, and since it takes two more games for the winner to get, then Z=X+2, so Y=2x+2. Probability function would be then P(Y<=y)=P(Y<=2x+2) but I am not sure where to go from here...Also, was thinking that it may be a binomial, with (Y choose 2x+2)(0.5)^(2x+2)(0.5)^y where x=1,2,3...y.

Any input is appreciated!

Have you studied Markov chains yet? If so, it is a simple exercise to get the generating function of Y, hence to find the distribution P{Y = n}, n = 2,3,4,... .

Here is a hint: let X = #won by A - #won by B. We start at X = 0. X increases by 1 if A wins and decreases by 1 if B wins. The game stops when X reaches ± 2. So, we have a simple 4-state Markov chain with states X = {0,1,-1,'stop'}, and Y = first passage time from state 0 to state 'stop'.

RGV
 
No, we haven't done Markov Chains yet...
What do you mean by "first passage time"?
 
libragirl79 said:
No, we haven't done Markov Chains yet...
What do you mean by "first passage time"?

The first passage time from any state i to state 'stop' is the first time (t = 1,2,3,...) at which state 'stop' is reached. It is exactly the Y that you seek. (Calling it a first-passage time allows you to do a meaningful Google search of that term to find out more about it.)

RGV
 

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