Steam Table Issues: Convert m3/hr to kg/hr @14.5 barg, 1150 deg C

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The discussion revolves around converting volumetric flow rates of steam from m3/hr to mass flow rates in kg/hr for a steam system operating at a pressure of 14.5 barg and a temperature of 1150 deg C. Participants explore the availability of steam tables for these conditions and question the validity of the temperature measurement.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in finding steam table values for the specified high temperature and pressure, suggesting the temperature meter might be incorrect.
  • Another participant questions whether the provided steam tables are suitable for the required conversion, indicating a lack of familiarity with steam engineering.
  • Concerns are raised about the high temperature being unusual for the given pressure, with one participant suggesting that more typical conditions should be considered.
  • A reference to a GE document is made, noting that it describes steam entry conditions at much higher pressures and lower temperatures than those in the original query.
  • One participant suggests that if the pressure is indeed accurate, the situation may involve extreme superheat, necessitating the use of superheat tables instead of saturated steam tables.
  • A link to a NIST table is provided, which covers steam properties over a wide temperature range and pressures, but the participant notes that the high temperature remains questionable.
  • Discussion includes a mention of the critical point of water, indicating that achieving such high steam temperatures may not be practical.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the temperature and pressure conditions, with multiple competing views regarding the feasibility of the specified steam conditions and the appropriate tables to use.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations related to the assumptions about the accuracy of the pressure and temperature measurements, as well as the applicability of the referenced steam tables for the extreme conditions discussed.

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Hi
I'm trying to convert m3/hr to kg/hr for a steam system operating at 14.5 barg and 1150 deg C. I was planning on using steam tables to get the specific volume but anywhere i look the temperature seems too high to have any values.
Any suggestions of places that do have the values I'm looking for? Or do ye think the temperature meter is just wrong..

Thanks
 
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Would the table here help. I know nothing about engineering with steam but the info you need could be in here.
(Or is the problem that this sort of table doesn't tell you what you want?)
 
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That seems a terribly high temperature for that pressure.
 
Jobrag said:
That seems a terribly high temperature for that pressure.

I have no experience of this but what might be more typical?
 
You weren't a colleague of George Stevenson by any chance? Haha
 
Colleague! I taught him all he knew.
 
Boilers were not strong in his day.
 
clobag89 said:
Hi
I'm trying to convert m3/hr to kg/hr for a steam system operating at 14.5 barg and 1150 deg C. I was planning on using steam tables to get the specific volume but anywhere i look the temperature seems too high to have any values.
Any suggestions of places that do have the values I'm looking for? Or do ye think the temperature meter is just wrong..

Thanks
Is one sure of the pressure? Otherwise, one has extreme superheat, so one would have to use superheat tables rather than saturated steam tables.

Here is a table from NIST that gives steam properties over the temperature range 0-2000°C and pressures including 1.4 and 1.5 MPa.
http://www.nist.gov/srd/upload/NISTIR5078-Tab3.pdf

It would make more sense if the pressure was 145 bar, and even then 1150°C is questionable, although gas turbines have inlet temperatures approaching ~1500°C.

In water, the critical point occurs at around 647 K (374 °C; 705 °F) and 22.064 MPa (3200 psia, 218 atm or 220.9 bar), so it may not be practical to have such a high steam temperature.
 

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