Stefan-Boltzman law derivation and integral tricks

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The discussion centers around the derivation of the Stefan-Boltzmann law from Planck's formula, specifically focusing on the evaluation of the integral $$ \int_{0}^{\infty} \frac{x^3}{e^x -1} dx $$ and techniques for simplifying it. Participants explore various mathematical approaches and integral tricks related to this derivation.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in simplifying the integral $$ \int_{0}^{\infty} \frac{x^3}{e^x -1} dx $$ and seeks assistance.
  • Another participant suggests rewriting the integral using a summation and taking the sum outside the integral, which is justified due to rapid convergence.
  • The evaluation of the integral $$ \int_{0}^{\infty} x^3 e^{-nx} dx $$ is proposed to yield $$ \dfrac{6}{n^4} $$ after integrating by parts.
  • A participant mentions the well-known series $$ \sum_{n=1}^\infty \dfrac{1}{n^4} $$ and its sum, $$ \dfrac{\pi^4}{90} $$, leading to the conclusion that the value of the original integral is $$ \dfrac{\pi^4}{15} $$, while noting the possibility of an error.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on evaluating the summation $$ \sum \frac{1}{(n+1)^4} $$, indicating a gap in their understanding.
  • A suggestion is made to use Parseval's theorem from Fourier theory as a method to evaluate the summation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to simplifying the integral and the evaluation techniques discussed, but there is no consensus on the final evaluation of the summation or the correctness of the derived integral value.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding specific steps in the evaluation of the summation and the potential for errors in earlier calculations. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions about convergence.

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HI people,

I was trying to derive the stefan-Boltzmann law from the planc's formula, I kind of got stuck with an integral
$$ \int_{0}^{\infty} \frac{x^3}{e^x -1} dx $$

I tried simplifying it with

$$ \int_{0}^{\infty} x^3 e^{-x} \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} e^{-nx} dx $$

Now I don't know what to do with the summation. I could evaluate

$$ \int_{0}^{\infty} x^3 e^{-x} dx = 6$$

pleas help me to get the rest of it, I see the answer comes with $\pi$, how do I get it in this kind of equation? Is there any special trick to solve these type of integrals?
thanks in advance.
 
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cooper607 said:
HI people,

I was trying to derive the stefan-Boltzmann law from the planc's formula, I kind of got stuck with an integral
$$ \int_{0}^{\infty} \frac{x^3}{e^x -1} dx $$

I tried simplifying it with

$$ \int_{0}^{\infty} x^3 e^{-x} \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} e^{-nx} dx $$

Now I don't know what to do with the summation. I could evaluate

$$ \int_{0}^{\infty} x^3 e^{-x} dx = 6$$

pleas help me to get the rest of it, I see the answer comes with $\pi$, how do I get it in this kind of equation? Is there any special trick to solve these type of integrals?
thanks in advance.
You are on the right lines. Write the integral as $$\int_{0}^{\infty} x^3 \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} e^{-nx} dx$$. Now take the sum outside the integral (which is justified because the negative exponential makes everything converge rapidly), to get $$ \sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\int_{0}^{\infty} x^3 e^{-nx} dx$$. The integral $$ \int_{0}^{\infty} x^3 e^{-nx} dx$$ can be evaluated by integrating by parts three times, giving the answer $\dfrac6{n^4}.$ Therefore $$\int_{0}^{\infty} \frac{x^3}{e^x -1} dx = \sum_{n=1}^\infty \dfrac6{n^4}.$$ Finally, $$\sum_{n=1}^\infty \dfrac1{n^4}$$ is a well-known series, with sum $\dfrac{\pi^4}{90}.$ So the value of your integral is $\dfrac{\pi^4}{15}$ unless I have made a mistake.
 
Ah great, thank you very much, I almost got it on the track now, this is

$$ \int_{0}^{\infty} x^3 e^{-(n+1)x} dx = 6 (n+1)^{-4}$$

can you just tell me a little about how to evaluate the summation of $$\sum \frac{1}{(n+1)^4}$$ though, I think I forgot this evaluation.

thanks in advance
 
cooper607 said:
can you just tell me a little about how to evaluate the summation of $$\sum \frac{1}{(n+1)^4}$$ though, I think I forgot this evaluation.
Probably the simplest way is to use Parseval's theorem from Fourier theory. See here, for example.
 

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