Still's disease and muscle movement

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around muscle pain experienced during arm movement, specifically when attempting to touch the opposite armpit. Participants explore the anatomy involved in this movement, the implications of pain, and the concept of referred pain. The conversation also touches on personal experiences with muscle pain and a mention of Still's disease.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Personal experience

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the specific muscles or tendons involved in the arm movement that caused mild pain.
  • Another participant suggests that the pain could be in the bicep or shoulder, noting the complexity of the muscles and tendons involved.
  • A third participant discusses the importance of range of motion in diagnosing potential issues with muscle, connective tissue, or bone, emphasizing that pain should not be self-diagnosed.
  • One participant shares their ability to move their hurt arm similarly to their good arm, expressing curiosity about animations or videos that illustrate the muscles and tendons involved in arm movement.
  • Another participant recounts a personal experience of referred pain, where pain was felt in the armpit despite the injury being to a finger.
  • A participant expresses concern about their uncle's experience with Still's disease, sharing that he had significant mobility issues due to muscle pain but has since recovered.
  • One participant notes that the discussion has shifted towards personal experiences, suggesting it may be more appropriate for a general discussion forum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the nature of muscle pain and the complexities of diagnosis, with no consensus reached on the specific causes or implications of the pain discussed. The conversation also shifts towards personal experiences with Still's disease, indicating a lack of agreement on the relevance of this topic to the original question.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the concept of referred pain and its implications, but there are no definitive conclusions drawn regarding the specific causes of the muscle pain discussed. The discussion includes personal anecdotes that may not directly relate to the anatomical inquiry.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals experiencing similar muscle pain, those curious about anatomy and movement, or individuals seeking to understand personal experiences related to Still's disease.

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What muscle or tendon is involved when you tried to touch the armpit of the other side of the body and there is slight muscle or tendon pain for the arms that reached out to the other armpit ? I feel some mild muscle pain last night after gym and just want to see the anatomy involved. I'm not asking for diagnosis because it's just mild.
 
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Is the pain in your bicep or in your shoulder somewhere? Lots of muscles and tendons are involved in that arm movement...

https://bloginonline.com/wp-content...t-of-human-shoulder-muscles-chest-muscles.jpg

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As @berkeman pointed out, this is a very tough problem.

Diagnosis starts with a concept: range of motion. It is used to figure out if there is any impairment/problem with:
muscle tissues,
connective tissues,
bone,
or a mixture of the above.

If you can move your hurt arm (even with some pain) in all of the ways you can move your good arm , the problem not a major concern.*
If you cannot do this because of severe pain or your hurt arm no longer can "go" there, see a physician.
If the pain does not slowly go away, see a physician.

The next big complication is referred pain. It hurts in a place on your body where nothing is wrong at all.
Example:
Certain shoulder injuries (e.g., rotator cuff ) often hurt in the middle of upper arm, not the shoulder where the damage is. Rather, it seems to you to come from the insertion point of the deltoid muscle. The deltoid tuberosity. I am in no way suggesting this is your problem. An example only of referred pain. You can have shoulder pain during a heart attack, just to be clear.

PF cannot do any kind of medical diagnosis. So get help, do not self-diagnose.

* this is a paraphrase from my notes I took that came from a textbook:
'Differential Diagnosis for Physical Therapists Screening for Referral' C. C. Goodman, T. E. K. Snyder 5th Ed. Older edition.
 
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I can move my hurt arm (even with some pain) in all of the ways I can move my good arm... it's just that I never experienced any muscle pain before.

Do you have any animations or videos showing all the muscles and tendon involved in moving an arm? Sometimes we take for granted that our body is a machine and only realized it when we have difficulty moving a part.
 
jim mcnamara said:
The next big complication is referred pain. It hurts in a place on your body where nothing is wrong at all.
Understatement, at least in my case.
While fiddling with a spring, it unwound - stupid me, I did not secure it well enough - and I got my left hand finger smacked a while back.
Finger became numb somewhat, and the fingernail looked and was damaged.
But the pain I felt was in the armpit as if it was being poked with a stick for a good while.
 
I feel much better now.. muscle pain almost gone.

I'm very concerned because my uncle got Still's Disease early this year. Who happens to have or know of one who got Still's Disease?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult-onset_Still's_disease

It says "The cause of adult-onset Still's disease is unknown".

Fortunately. My uncle was cured now. While he hadit.. he couldn't even move (without much muscle pain) to take a bath and someone has to take bath for him at the garage (since he couldn't even climb upstairs).
 
We are going off topic - to the point where this needs to be in general discussion, since it much more social and personal experience than scientific.
 

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