Stokes' Theorem for Line Integrals on Closed Curves: A Problem Solution

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The problem involves evaluating a line integral over a closed curve defined by the intersection of two surfaces: a plane and a sphere. The original poster attempts to apply Stokes' theorem to relate the line integral to a surface integral involving the curl of a vector field.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the necessity of integrating over the correct surface and question the choice of surface for applying Stokes' theorem. There are attempts to clarify the geometry of the problem, particularly regarding the intersection of the surfaces and the radius of the resulting closed curve.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing guidance on the interpretation of the surfaces involved and the implications for applying Stokes' theorem. There is recognition of the need to clarify the surface over which the integration is performed, but no explicit consensus has been reached.

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Participants note that the closed curve is the intersection of two surfaces, which may affect the choice of surface for integration. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their working despite obtaining a correct numerical answer.

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Homework Statement



Please help me to check whether I did the right working for this problem. Thanks. The numerical answer is correct but I'm not very sure if the working is correct also.

Find [tex]\int y dx + z dy + x dz[/tex] over the closed curve C which is the intersection of the surfaces whose equations are [tex]x + y = 2[/tex] and [tex]x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 2(x+y)[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



First, I note that the integral required is the line integral for F . dr where F = (y, z, x). Since the curve is closed, we can apply Stokes' theorem. By Stokes' theorem [tex]\int F . dr = \iint (curl F) \cdot \b{n} dA[/tex].

Curl F = (-1,-1,-1) after applying the cross product.

Then I sketch the surfaces on the x-y axis and pick out the normal vector [tex]n = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(\b{i} + \b{j})[/tex]. Also [tex]\iint dA = \pi r^2[/tex]. Then the answer for the line integral is [tex]-2\sqrt{2}\pi[/tex]
 
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What surface, exactly, are you integrating over? You are told that the curve is the intersection of two surfaces. To use Stoke's theorem, you must integrate over the entire surface: both of the given surfaces.
 
It looks like bigevil is integrating over the plane. You don't have to integrate over both surfaces. Either one should give you the same answer. I'm a little confused at you deduced the radius of the circle. But other than that, it's fine.
 
Sorry Halls, the closed curve is the intersection of the two equations. That curve is closed and the surface it covers is a circle (of radius sqrt(2) I think) then I'm integrating over the plane.

I don't know how to describe it, but I deduced by imagining that the line slices the sphere given. (I drew the whole thing in the x-y plane, ie looking from the 'top' down.) The plane (y + x = 2) runs through the centre of the sphere. I got radius sqrt 2 for the radius of the closed surface.

Thanx Dick and Halls.
 
Yes, exactly. The plane cuts through the center of a sphere with radius sqrt(2). You can use Stokes over that surface. As you did so well.
 

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