Stopping distance, Book is wrong?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the shortest stopping distance for drivers under different conditions, specifically focusing on reaction times and deceleration rates. The problem involves understanding the components of stopping distance, including thinking distance and braking distance, as well as interpreting the provided solutions from a textbook.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between stopping distance, reaction time, and braking distance. There is a debate about the interpretation of the distances provided in the book and whether they are relative to the moment of seeing the pedestrian or the moment of braking. Some participants question the assumptions made in the book's solution and suggest alternative interpretations of the distances involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants clarifying their understanding of the problem and the book's solution. Some have expressed confusion about the illustration and its relation to the stopping distance, while others are beginning to reconcile their interpretations with the information provided. No consensus has been reached yet, but there is a productive exchange of ideas regarding the components of the stopping distance.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of the problem statement and the assumptions regarding driver behavior and vehicle dynamics. There is a mention of a moral aspect related to drinking and driving, which may influence the context of the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Tests reveal that a normal driver takes about 0.75 s before he or she can react to a situation to avoid a collision. It takes about 3 s for a driver having 0.1% alcohol in his system to do the same. If such drivers are traveling on a straight road at 30 mph (44 ft/s) and their cars can decelerate at 2 ft/s2, determine the shortest stopping distance d for each from the moment they see the pedestrians. Moral: If you must drink, please don’t drive!

Homework Equations


s=vt
y2 = y2 + 2ac (s - s0)

The Attempt at a Solution


I already know how the book solves it, the problem is that I'm not sure if the book is correct. Here's the solution from the book (12-15):
http://image.slidesharecdn.com/solutionmanualhibbelerengineeringmechanics12thedition-130719121523-phpapp02-131228081729-phpapp02/95/solutionmanualhibbelerengineeringmechanics12thedition-10-638.jpg?cb=1388219005
But the problem is that I think they gave the distance d relative to some coordinate where s=0 at t=0 and not the d that is illustrated. I think that the proper solution for this is something like this:
let the distance they got at time t=0.75s be d1=33ft and the solution they obtain is d2=517ft. Now this are relative to the origin s=0, t=0. So the distance that we want to find "d" is d=d2-d1=484ft. Same procedure for the 2nd case. Am I right?...I think the illustration is for the breaking distance, isn't it?
 
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But the problem is that I think they gave the distance d relative to some coordinate where s=0 at t=0 and not the d that is illustrated. I think that the proper solution for this is something like this:
let the distance they got at time t=0.75s be d1=33ft and the solution they obtain is d2=517ft. Now this are relative to the origin s=0, t=0. So the distance that we want to find "d" is d=d2-d1=484ft. Same procedure for the 2nd case. Am I right?...I think the illustration is for the breaking distance, isn't it?
I'm not grasping your difficulty with the book solution.
The idea is to calculate stopping distance, which is the sum of thinking distance and braking distance.
The book applies the formula vf2-vi2=2asbrake. But it substitutes sbrake=sstop-sthink.
 
Hm...ok I just reread the question and I think I get it now. So the illustration shows the distance at the time I see the pedestrian relative to the pedestrian...I.e. the distance from when t=0 to the distance when v=0. I thought that illustration was showing the distance at time t=0.75 to the distance when v=0, which is the braking time.
 
sorry about this question.
 
Please don't drink and derive o0):smile:
 
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