Stress-energy tensor as source of gravity

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The discussion revolves around the stress-energy tensor and its role as a source of gravity, particularly in the context of quantum gravity. Participants explore the implications of using a continuum hypothesis for mass and energy in quantum theories, questioning how these concepts can be reconciled with the discrete nature of particles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the use of the stress-energy tensor, suggesting that it assumes a continuum hypothesis that may not align with quantum theories of gravity.
  • Another participant draws an analogy to quantum electrodynamics, asking how a continuous charge current can be compatible with a quantized electromagnetic field.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the topic and seek recommendations for reading materials to better understand the concepts involved.
  • A suggestion is made that the charge/current four-vector in quantum electrodynamics can be derived from the four-vector potential, which is quantized.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and uncertainty regarding the compatibility of the stress-energy tensor with quantum gravity. There is no consensus on how to reconcile these concepts, and multiple viewpoints are presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the implications of using macroscopic properties like mass density and pressure in quantum theories, as well as the unresolved nature of how these concepts translate to the behavior of individual particles.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying quantum gravity, quantum field theory, and the foundations of physics, particularly in relation to the interplay between classical and quantum concepts.

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Hello. This is a question for the philosophers. I know just a little bit about QT and GR, but have a solid background in QM, classical physics and some particle physics.

I was wondering about the stress energy tensor. I know that the graviton must have spin 2 because the source of gravity is a rank 2 tensor.

Now, the stress energy tensor contains properties like mass density, pressure and shear stress. These are large scale macro-properties, no? Seems like a continuum hypothesis for the mass/energy is assumed. So my question is how can one make a quantum theory of gravity while using these concepts? Seems like trying to make a quantum theory of atoms or particles using properties like bulk-modulus and mass density?

If one looks at the mass as a collection of many many single particles. Then, the contribution to the warping of space-time from each single particle shouldn't contain concepts like shear or pressure? Couldn't, in this picture, the source of gravity be a rank 1 tensor (i.e. four-momentum), and the 2nd rank only comes after we consider the effect of all these single particles?
 
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Quantum gravity is a difficult topic, so I would suggest you to first consider a simpler but analogous question in quantum electrodynamics. The charge current is a continuous source of electromagnetic field, so how can it be compatible with a quantized electromagnetic field (photons)?
 
Good question! I do not know, but would love a lead. Any tips on reading for this?
 
Demystifier said:
Quantum gravity is a difficult topic, so I would suggest you to first consider a simpler but analogous question in quantum electrodynamics. The charge current is a continuous source of electromagnetic field, so how can it be compatible with a quantized electromagnetic field (photons)?
I would say because the charge/current four-vector can be derived from the four-vector potential, A, which can be quantized and is what we work with in QED.
 

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