String stars instead of black holes?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of whether string theory could provide an alternative explanation for the end state of collapsing stars, specifically proposing the idea of "string stars" instead of black holes. Participants explore theoretical implications of string theory in relation to stellar collapse, neutron stars, quark stars, and the nature of singularities.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if strings are the fundamental building blocks, they might prevent a star from collapsing into a black hole, resulting in a dense but finite state.
  • Another participant proposes that a Kerr ring singularity could be analogous to a closed string, highlighting similarities in their properties such as spinning and dimensionality.
  • It is noted that while general relativity predicts a singularity within black holes, quantum theory raises doubts about this outcome, indicating a potential conflict between the two theories.
  • A reference to the Fuzzball Hypothesis is made, which may align with the idea of string-like structures in the context of black holes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses about the nature of black holes and the role of string theory, but there is no consensus on the validity of these ideas or their implications. The discussion remains open and speculative.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of current theories and the unresolved nature of the relationship between general relativity and quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of black holes and singularities.

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Hey guys.
If the string theory is correct (and strings are fundamental and the last building block) I had a thought that if and when a star collapses (due to whatever reason) it can reach neutron star status. Add more mass and it can collapse to a quark star. Now say that we add more mass and it collapses even further - to a black hole. But if strings are there and are so rigid as they should be, maybe they can withhold this last collapse. The star shrinks by a huge factor (since strings are so small, even compared to quarks) but never reaches the black hole point-state. We would have a mind-numbingly small chunk of material all in all resembling a black hole, but but not infinitley small...

That would take away the infinites of black holes... small and dense? yes! infinite? no!


Thoughts?
 
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Hello, I had the same idea several years ago that a Kerr ring singularity might basically be a closed string.
-I mean they both spin in one direction only and are incredibly flat and thin (one dimensional).
-Their size is on the order of Planck’s length.
-The singularity's spinning surface is wriggling quantum foam and a string’s surface vibrates.
-A closed string vibrates to represent nuclear particles and the higher the frequency the more mass the particle has. Since they are one dimensional, if a googol strings were crushed onto each other by gravity, then they would still look like one closed string (or ring singularity). However from harmonics, the frequency of the vibration would multiply and become infinitely high, thus representing a particle of incredible mass, like a singularity.
-As you mention, we already know that gravity can implode a star into neutrons (and perhaps quarks), so why not even smaller basic structures?
It just seems to me that string theorists might like to know that GR may actually predict string-like structures. Unfortunately, it is not possible to prove this.
 
Black holes are masses small enough so that the escape velocity is greater than the speed of light. What happens inside the hole is very much an open question. General Relativity has the mass compressing to a singularity. However quantum theory makes this highly unlikely. In any case attempts to reconcile them (GR and quantum) here lead to nonsense. Someday string theory may resolve this problem, but it remains open for now.
 
The Fuzzball Hypothesis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzball_(string_theory ).
 
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Thanks for the Fuzzball link. It was almost exactly as what I was thinking of. Reading about it now, I remember browsing the subject long ago.

Thanks again
 

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