Structure constants of Lie algebra

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The discussion revolves around the structure constants of the Lie algebra so(3) and the properties of left-invariant vector fields associated with matrix groups, particularly SO(3). Participants explore the implications of their calculations and the relationship between the algebraic structure and the geometric interpretation of these vector fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the standard basis for so(3) and calculates the structure constants, asserting that [L1, L2] = L3 leads to specific constants.
  • The same participant expresses confusion when their calculations of left-invariant vector fields do not align with textbook expectations, despite believing both their calculations and the textbooks to be correct.
  • Another participant suggests that the confusion arises from the incorrect assumption that left-multiplying the basis of the Lie algebra at the identity yields a valid Lie algebra at a point A not equal to the identity.
  • This second participant argues that the resulting matrices will not satisfy the Lie algebra properties, as the commutator [A*L1, A*L2] does not necessarily belong to the span of the new basis.
  • A later reply offers a resource suggestion for further reading on matrix Lie groups, referencing Spivak's work on differential geometry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the initial calculations versus the textbook claims. There is acknowledgment of differing perspectives on the properties of left-invariant vector fields and the implications of the calculations presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in understanding the transition from the Lie algebra at the identity to that at a general point in the group, particularly regarding the preservation of algebraic structure under left multiplication.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying Lie algebras, matrix groups, differential geometry, or related fields in mathematics and physics.

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The following matrices are written in Matlab codes form.

The standard basis for so(3) is: L1 = [0 0 0; 0 0 -1; 0 1 0], L2 = [0 0 1; 0 0 0; -1 0 0], L3 = [0 -1 0; 1 0 0; 0 0 0]. Since [L1, L2] = L3, the structure constants of this Lie algebra are C(12, 1) = C(12, 2) = 0, C(12, 3) = 1. According to do Carmo and other textbooks, if M1, M2 and M3 is the basis for the left-invariant vector fields of A, where A is a member of SO(3), we have [Mi, Mj] = C(ij, k)Mk, where Mi = A * Li. In the above case, we have [M1, M2] = M3.

But, when I put A = [cos(t) -sin(t) 0; sin(t) cos(t) 0; 0 0 1], then M1 = [0 0 sin(t); 0 0 -cos(t); 0 -1 0], M2 = [0 0 cos(t); 0 0 sin(t); -1 0 0], and M3 = [-sin(t) -cos(t) 0; cos(t) -sin(t) 0; 0 0 0]. By straightforward calculation, it can be seen that [M1, M2] is not equal to M3.
I believe the textbooks could not be wrong , but my calculation is also correct. I am in confusion. Please help me.
 
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The key problem here is that, in general, to find the left-invariant vector fields of a matrix group at a point A not equal to the identity, one can not simply left-multiply A by the basis of the Lie algebra at the identity. The resulting matrices {A*L1, A*L2, A*L3} will not form a Lie algebra, since [A*L1, A*L2]=A*L1*A*L2-A*L2*A*L1 will not in general be an element of the linear span of {A*L1, A*L2, A*L3}.
 
Thanks a lot. I think i need read the textbooks more carefully.

Any suggestion for books on matrix group?
 
I seem to recall that I learned quite a lot about Matrix Lie groups via Spivak's Comprehensive Introduction to Differential Geometry. I think the pertinent sections are at the tail end of Volume I.
 

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