Structure of Romantic and Sexual relationship

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the structure of romantic and sexual relationships among high school students, as represented in a sociological survey. Participants explore the implications of a graphical representation of these relationships, questioning the definitions of romantic interactions and the potential for misinterpretation of the data.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the graph represents sexual relationships, romantic connections, or simply dating behaviors.
  • There are observations about the presence of monogamous couples and how they may distort the overall impression of the graph.
  • Participants discuss the randomness of connections and how it might lead to larger clusters of relationships, suggesting a model of random hookups.
  • Some express uncertainty about the uniqueness of the dots in the graph, proposing that overlapping relationships may not be accurately represented.
  • There are claims about the potential implications for understanding the spread of STDs based on the network structure.
  • Participants note the existence of same-sex connections, with varying interpretations of their significance and quantity.
  • Some argue that the visual organization of the graph may mislead interpretations, emphasizing that the arrangement could be an artifact rather than a meaningful representation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the graph or the nature of the relationships depicted. Multiple competing views remain regarding the definitions and implications of the connections shown.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of clarity on the definitions of romantic versus sexual relationships, the potential for misinterpretation due to the visual representation, and the absence of a clear figure legend to aid understanding.

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...from a sociological survey conducted in Jefferson High school.

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/chainspix.htm

Does the big circle represent their football team? :)
 
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Neat-o. Very fractalish.
 
Is it sex? Or does kissing or a date count?

There is some gay connections too. Interesting.

One girl had six.. wow.
 
You know this guy has to be totally hot.
 

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Maybe, maybe not. If you have a graph and randomly choose to connect each pair of vertexes with an edge with probability p, you expect to get one larger blob and a bunch of smaller disconnected things. So this high school seems to fit the model of people having sex at random
 
Note the 63 monogomous couples in the lower right. Lumping them together like that gives a bit of a false impression to the graph, eh? Oh, and the 12 lucky guys in the lower right as well.
 
Math Is Hard said:
You know this guy has to be totally hot.

Wow...I hope he's not allergic to antibiotics.
 
berkeman said:
Note the 63 monogomous couples in the lower right. Lumping them together like that gives a bit of a false impression to the graph, eh? Oh, and the 12 lucky guys in the lower right as well.

yeah, also they didn't show the physics department, mostly with unconnected dots.
 
jobyts said:
yeah, also they didn't show the physics department, mostly with unconnected dots.

:smile: There went my coke. All over the monitor.
 
  • #10
Math Is Hard said:
:smile: There went my coke. All over the monitor.

Mine too. LOL. :smile:
 
  • #11
Don't let my wife get a load of this chart or I'm a dead man.
 
  • #12
JasonRox said:
There is some gay connections too. Interesting.

I couldn't find any with exception of one but they were also connected to other color dots.
 
  • #13
rootX said:
I couldn't find any with exception of one but they were also connected to other color dots.

Ya, there appears to be one girl who gets around.
 
  • #14
berkeman said:
Note the 63 monogomous couples in the lower right. Lumping them together like that gives a bit of a false impression to the graph, eh?

In the article, the guy wants to emphasize that there are too many linked relationships (and hence helps him in making a conclusion about STDs).
 
  • #15
JasonRox said:
Is it sex? Or does kissing or a date count?

It says "romantic relations" so I'm really not sure if all of those are sexual. And if it's just dating, the circle makes more sense. A group of students who hangs out together a lot is likely to date, and in high school, there are a lot of breakups and new partners within that circle of friends without anything sexual happening. Or, at least that's how it was when I was in high school.

Or, maybe it was just one crazy party where they were all playing spin the bottle.

And, it seems to support the notion that the best place to find people to date are amongst friends of friends.

If it was only reporting sexual interactions, wouldn't there have been at least a few dots all by themselves?
 
  • #16
Some guy is with 7 chicks... nice.

I really do want to know who make up the ring of sex there in the top left.
 
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  • #17
Moonbear said:
It says "romantic relations" so I'm really not sure if all of those are sexual. And if it's just dating, the circle makes more sense.

I'm not sure the circle makes sense, whether it's sex or just dating...or just saying "good morning." The other strings range from 2 to 7 dots...then we have this 37-dot string, where the first one just happens to "engage" with the last one in the string, forming a circle.

So even though there's a *lot* of side strings, none of the dots in that circle engaged in any other member of the circle? I find that hard to believe.

I'm making the assumption that each dot is unique.
 
  • #18
lisab said:
I'm making the assumption that each dot is unique.

Maybe it's not. Maybe some of those chains off the circle are there because it would be too messy to draw all the lines? I think they may have been trying more for aesthetics than accuracy. But, there isn't even a clear figure legend to help understand how to interpret it, so it's not terribly useful as it's being presented here.
 
  • #19
Moonbear said:
A group of students who hangs out together a lot is likely to date, and in high school, there are a lot of breakups and new partners within that circle of friends without anything sexual happening. Or, at least that's how it was when I was in high school.

Or so it seems ... According to Why Sex is fun? Jared talks about how most of our sex is done privately. Perhaps there was sex but no one "knew".
 
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Moody said the results generate a snapshot of the network of romantic and sexual relations among teens attending the school in this 18-month period –- the first such image of an entire population such as this.
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The most striking feature of the network was a single component that connected 52 percent (288) of the romantically involved students at Jefferson. This means student A had relations with student B, who had relations with student C and so on, connecting all 288 of these students.
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“From a student’s perspective, a large chain like this would boggle the mind,” Moody said. “They might know that their partner had a previous partner. But they don’t think about the fact that this partner had a previous partner, who had a partner, and so on.

“What this shows, for the first time, is that there are many of these links in a chain, going far beyond what anyone could see and hold in their head.”

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/chains.htm

Looks like it was for a study on STD's so sexual intercourse is assumed i'd think...
 
  • #21
Pengwuino said:
Some guy is with 7 chicks... nice.

I really do want to know who make up the ring of sex there in the top left.

As I said earlier, if you have people hook up at random you expect to get one large blob and a bunch of smaller figures, so it's not a huge surprise
 
  • #22
Office_Shredder said:
As I said earlier, if you have people hook up at random you expect to get one large blob and a bunch of smaller figures, so it's not a huge surprise

Oversimplifying the process of getting hooked up?

Try that.
 
  • #23
maverick_starstrider said:
Ya, there appears to be one girl who gets around.

He was talking about the homosexual relationship. There is only one.
 
  • #24
rootX said:
Oversimplifying the process of getting hooked up?

Try that.

Yes I am, but you shouldn't go looking for special meaning into the big circle, because there's probably something similar in every group just by probability
 
  • #25
Pengwuino said:
I really do want to know who make up the ring of sex there in the top left.

I am pretty sure that the appearance of those connectons as a ring is an artifact of arbitrary organization. While factual, it has little meaning.

If you have a random set of dots laid out and make random connections, you get topological data minus spatial organization. Then you manually arrange all those branches and nodes to be as visually organized as possible, it will disproportionately highlight things like this. It's just unavoidable.


On a loosely-related note, the organization of connections in space has little meaning elsewhere too. Note that several of the structures in the lower left are toplogically very similar, yet they have been represented with completely different configurations.



[ Edit: Doh! ]
you shouldn't go looking for special meaning into the big circle, because there's probably something similar in every group just by probability
 
  • #26
Well it seems like they're trying to show how diseases could spread, is it possible the big connection is important when looking at how something could spread amongst people?
 
  • #27
DaveC426913 said:
He was talking about the homosexual relationship. There is only one.

I see three. One female-female, two male-male.
 
  • #28
lisab said:
I see three. One female-female, two male-male.
I fail.

I still see only one: male-male. Far NE "corner" of ring.
 
  • #29
DaveC426913 said:
I fail.

I still see only one: male-male. Far NE "corner" of ring.

The other male-male is actually on the ring...the SE part.

Then there's a female-female on a triangle that's not on the ring...in the NE section of the graphic.
 
  • #30
Wow, talk about kids being active now-a-days... Hahaha
 

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