Struggling with Solving an RL Circuit Differential Equation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation for an RL circuit, focusing on the mathematical techniques required rather than the underlying physics. Participants explore various methods for integrating the equation and address potential complexities in the solution process.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in solving the differential equation for the RL circuit, specifically mentioning the need for an integrating factor and challenges with the subsequent integral.
  • Another participant suggests using the integrating factor \( e^{\frac{R}{L}t} \) and provides steps for solving the equation, including separating the homogeneous part and proposing a particular solution involving sine functions.
  • A different participant raises a concern about omitting a term related to charge \( Q \), suggesting that this could lead to a second-order differential equation, which they argue has more physical meaning.
  • One participant counters the previous claim, asserting that in a pure LR circuit, the charge term is not relevant in the absence of capacitance.
  • A later reply acknowledges the assistance received and reflects on the initial confusion caused by the constants involved in the equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the relevance of the charge term in the differential equation for an LR circuit, with some asserting its importance while others maintain it is not applicable in this context. The discussion remains unresolved on this point.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes varying assumptions about the circuit components and their influence on the differential equation, particularly regarding the presence or absence of capacitance.

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Hi guys, I'm currently deriving all the equations provided by the my physics professor on the RL, RC and LCR circuits. My trouble is not the physics but the mathematics.

For example in the RL circuit the differential equation that needs to be solved is the following:

[tex]L\frac{dI}{dt} +IR = V_0\cos{wt}[/tex]

I reconize that you need a integrating factor, however the integral after that step seems ridiculous to solve, if you guys will just help me out with the right step to solve the RL circuit, I'm sure i can solve the rest with ease.
 
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Since that's a linear equation with constant coefficients, the integrating factor is just [itex]e^{\frac{R}{L}t}[/itex]. Multiplying the entire equation by that,
[tex]L\frac{de^{\frac{R}{L}t}I}{dt}= V_0e^{\frac{R}{L}t}cos(\omega t)[/tex]

Is it [itex]\int e^x cos(x) dx[/itex] that you are concerned about? That's a fairly standard "integration by parts" problem.

However, there's a fairly easy way to solve "linear equations with constant coefficients". First look at the "homogeneous part":
[tex]L\frac{dI}{dt}+ RI= 0[/tex]
That's separable:
[tex]L \frac{dI}{I}= -R dt[/tex]
so
[tex]L ln(I)= -Rt+ C[/tex]
or
[tex]I= Ce^{-\frac{R}{L}t[/itex]<br /> Now just find anyone function that satisfies the entire equation and add to that general solution of the homogeneous part. I would suggest trying <br /> [tex]I= A sin(\omega t)[/tex]<br /> and seeing what A must be in order to satisfy the equation.[/tex]
 
aren't you omitting a term proportional to [tex]Q[/tex] where Q is the charge of a system..in that case you would have a second-order differential equation of the form:

[tex]a \frac{d^2 y}{dx^2 } +b \frac{dy}{dx}+cy=dCos(wx)[/tex] taking into account that..

[tex]I=-\frac {dQ}{dt}[/tex]

:-p :cool: :rolleyes: that seems to have more "physical" meaning (the circuit current is a dumped oscillator so the charges is getting smaller and smaller as [tex]Q(t)=Q_0 (t)e^{-\gamma t}Sin(\omega t)[/tex]
 
eljose said:
aren't you omitting a term proportional to [tex]Q[/tex] where Q is the charge of a system..
No. Not in a pure LR circuit - in the absence of capacitance.
 
Cheers hall, perfect help yet again. Yes the integral by parts is trivial, i guess i just let all those constants (R.L,V) confuse the trivial maths...
 

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