Solving RL Circuit Differential Equation: Initial Conditions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation for an RL circuit after a switch is moved from position A to position B. Participants explore the implications of initial conditions, steady-state behavior, and the application of Laplace transforms in analyzing the circuit's response over time.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a differential equation relating current and voltage in the circuit and questions its correctness.
  • Another participant clarifies that the steady-state situation implies the circuit has reached equilibrium before the switch is moved.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of the voltage sources, with participants confirming they are DC batteries.
  • Participants debate the meaning of steady state in a DC circuit, noting that in steady state, the inductor behaves like a wire and the current remains constant.
  • One participant suggests that if the current is not changing, then the derivative of current with respect to time is zero, leading to a simplified equation for voltage.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the voltage of the first battery is not arbitrary and relates it to the initial current before the switch is moved.
  • There is a proposal to use the Laplace transform to analyze the circuit's response, with a focus on determining the current for specific voltage values.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the continuity of current at the moment the switch is moved and how it affects the solution.
  • One participant questions the rationale behind using a zero voltage for the second battery in the analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions of steady state and the behavior of inductors in DC circuits, but there are multiple competing views regarding the initial conditions and the application of Laplace transforms. The discussion remains unresolved on certain aspects, particularly concerning the continuity of current at the switch transition.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the behavior of the circuit components during the transition and the dependence on the definitions of steady state and initial conditions. Unresolved mathematical steps related to the Laplace transform and the determination of constants in the solution are also present.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students studying electrical engineering, particularly those interested in circuit analysis, differential equations, and the application of Laplace transforms in solving circuit problems.

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Homework Statement


Consider the RL circuit shown in the figure. Assume that the current ##i(t)## has reached a steady state with the switch at position ##A##. At time ##t = 0##, the switch is moved from position ##A## to position ##B##.

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If I use the image button, nothing shows. Why is that?

Find the differential equation relating ##i(t)## and ##v_2## for ##t > 0^-##. Specify the initial condition (that is, the value of ##i(0^-)##for this differential equation in terms of ##v_1##).

The Attempt at a Solution



I have come up with
$$
v_2(t) = Ri + L\frac{di}{dt} = i + \frac{di}{dt}
$$
1. Is this correct?
2. How do I determine the initial condition?
 
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t=0- is t=0 just before the switch is thrown.
you are told this is the steady-state situation for a particular circuit - so what is that circuit and what is the steady state?

at t=0+ the circuit has changed.

Note: are V1 and V2 supplied by AC or DC voltage sources?
 
Those are battery symbols.
 
OK - so battries are DC right?
So ##v_1(t)=V_1## and ##v_2(t)=V_2## ... so with the switch in it's first position, and the circuit in equilibrium, what is the current?
 
With the circuit is position 1, we have ##V_1 = v_1(t) = i + \frac{di}{dt}##, and in position 2, ##V_2 = v_2(t) = i + \frac{di}{dt}##.

Is that what you are asking. Also, it is DC.
 
Close - focus on the equation for V1 - that situation has existed for a very long time ... long enough for the condition to be at equilibrium. It's a steady-state. What does it mean for a circuit to be in a steady state?

In a steady-state DC circuit - what does an inductor do?

If you don't know, then you'll have to solve the equation for V1 - for the condition that it has been switched on at ##t=-\infty## from a state of 0V, then use that to work out i(0). It's a lot of work - it is really easier just to use the physics.
 
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Can you explain what steady state means in a DC circuit? I looked it up and it didn't help. I only ask for an explanation since I am not versed in EE. I have a BS in Math and working on a MS in Mech E so this is a little foreign to me.

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If let ##V_1 = 0##, then ##i(t) = Ce^{-t}##. As ##t\to -\infty##, our solution blows up.
 
Well you've managed to look at it three ways ... so I'll cover them from hardest to easiest:
If let ##V_1 = 0##, then ##i(t) = Ce^{-t}##. As ##t\to -\infty##, our solution blows up.
But ##V_1\neq 0## you are told that ##V_1>0##, and has been like that for all time before t=0.

Reverse the situation - switching the circuit on an infinite time ago and looking for the situation now is the same as switching it on now and waiting for an infinite time.

if you went from ##v(0^-)=0## to ##v(0^+)=V_1## at ##t=0##, then what is the current when ##t=+\infty## ?


Dustinsfl said:
Can you explain what steady state means in a DC circuit?
It means the state of the circuit is steady" i.e. "unchanging".

The current and the voltage are not changing.
If the current does not change - then what is di/dt?
Rewrite the equation for V1, taking this into account.

Shortcut:
Reactive components only come into their own when there is some change in the potential.

In the DC steady-state case,
... an inductor is the same as a length of straight wire and a capacitor is the same as a gap in the circuit.
... so redraw the circuit to take this into account: this is the DC equivalent circuit.
... evaluate the new equivalent circuit.

In this problem - at t=0 you apply a step potential difference: the inductor reacts to the sharp change in voltage and the circuit takes a while to settle to a new steady state again.
 
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So if ##V_1\neq 0## but we are at a steady state, we can assume ##V_1## is some arbitrary constant?

If the current isn't changing, then ##\frac{di}{dt} = 0##.

Therefore, we have ##V_1 = i(t)##, correct?

Then at ##t = -\infty##, we have ##V_1##.
 
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##V_1## is not arbitrary! ##V_1## is the voltage of the first battery.

Need to be a bit careful here - you have ##R=1\Omega## right?
The steady state current before t=0 would be ##I=V_1/R## ... because the equivalent circuit is just a battery and a resistor.

Since R=1 Ohm, you get ##I=V_1## ... if ##V_1## is in volts, then ##I## will be in Amperes.
Since that is the current just before t=0 was I, then ##i(0^-)=V_1## ... and that is your initial condition.

Now you can solve the equations for V2.
 
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Ok so now I understand that piece. Next it says:

Using the properties of the unilateral Laplace transform, determine and plot the current ##i(t)## for ##v_1 = 4V## and ##v_2 = 0V##. Using your answer, argue that the current ##i(t)## may be expressed as a sum of the circuit's zero-state response and zero-input response.

If ##v_1 = 4V##, we have the unit step function.
$$
4V\cdot\mathcal{U}(-t) =
\begin{cases}
4V, & \text{if } t < 0\\
0, & \text{otherwise}
\end{cases}
$$
If ##V_2 = 0V##, then our DE is
$$
0 = i + \frac{di}{dt}\Rightarrow Ce^{-t} = i(t)
$$
I am not sure if I have enough information to find ##C##.
The solution would then be
$$
i(t) =
\begin{cases}
4V, & \text{if } t < 0\\
Ce^{-t}, & \text{if } t\geq 0
\end{cases}
$$
At ##t = 0##, is it customary in EE that we don't have a discontinuity? If that is the case, I can find ##C##. Otherwise, we have a plot of 4V for ##t < 0## and a dying exponential for ##t \geq 0##.
 
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Dustinsfl said:
Ok so now I understand that piece. Next it says:

Using the properties of the unilateral Laplace transform, determine and plot the current ##i(t)## for ##v_1 = 4V## and ##v_2 = 0V##.
Except ##V_2\neq 0\text{V}## - it is the voltage of the second battery.
Why put a dead battery in the circuit?

If you switch form V1 to V2 at t=0, then the voltage waveform is:
##v(t)=V_1+(V_2-V_1)\text{h}(t)## ... where ##\text{h}(t)## is the heaviside step function.

If ##V_2 > V_1## then it is a step up.

If ##V_2 = 0V##, then our DE is
$$
0 = i + \frac{di}{dt}\Rightarrow Ce^{-t} = i(t)
$$
I am not sure if I have enough information to find ##C##.
... what about the initial condition?
 

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