Stuck on couple related rates problems

In summary, the first problem involves finding the speed of a ship as it winds in its anchor chain at a constant rate, given that the ship is anchored in 11 fathoms of water and the hawsehole is 1 fathom above the water line. The second problem involves finding the speed of the top of a ladder as it slides down a wall at a constant rate, given that the ladder is 41 feet long and the bottom is moving at a speed of 4ft/sec. Both problems involve setting up and differentiating equations to solve for the unknown speed.
  • #1
Rizzice
3
0
1. A ship with a long anchor chain is anchored in 11 fathoms of water. The anchor chain is being wound in at a rate of 10 fathoms/minute, causing the ship to move toward the spot directly above the anchor resting on the seabed. The hawsehole ( the point of contact between ship and chain) is located 1 fathom above the water line. At what speed is the ship moving when there are exatly 13 fathoms of chain still out?

For this problem I started with this drawing.. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/theboywiththegiantmuffin/untitled.jpg

And then from there, I had no idea where to go... there hawsehole being 1 fathom above the water really gets to me, perhaps making the above drawing void. Another thing I don't understand is that it says it's anchored in 11 fathoms of water.. how could the question be asking what speed the boat would be moving if it were at 13 fathoms?

2. A ladder 41 feet long was leaning against a vertical wall and begins to slip. Its top slides down the wall whilte its bottom moves along the level ground at a constant speed of 4ft/sec. How fast is the top of the ladder moving when it is 9 feet above the ground?

For this one.. I didn't even know what to do.. of course I drew a triangle, hypotenuse of 41 and the vertical side of 9 feet.. and then...?



Mainly, I think problems such as these are really easy, but I have a really hard time picturing the problem or drawing it out. I don't know which numbers apply to dx/dt and dy/dt..
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
Rizzice said:
1. A ship with a long anchor chain is anchored in 11 fathoms of water. The anchor chain is being wound in at a rate of 10 fathoms/minute, causing the ship to move toward the spot directly above the anchor resting on the seabed. The hawsehole ( the point of contact between ship and chain) is located 1 fathom above the water line. At what speed is the ship moving when there are exatly 13 fathoms of chain still out?

For this problem I started with this drawing.. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/theboywiththegiantmuffin/untitled.jpg

And then from there, I had no idea where to go... there hawsehole being 1 fathom above the water really gets to me, perhaps making the above drawing void. Another thing I don't understand is that it says it's anchored in 11 fathoms of water.. how could the question be asking what speed the boat would be moving if it were at 13 fathoms?
I might be wrong here, but to me it seems as if you should consider a triangle like the one you drew except that the vertical side will be 12 fathoms long (in other word, you would draw a horizontal line aligned iwth the hawsehole). Do you see what I mean? I might be wrong, however.

And tehy are asking what is the speed when there is 13 fathoms of *chain* still out, which is the length of the hypothenuse on your triangle. Of course this length will be larger or equal to 12 fathoms (it will be equal to 12 fathom when the boat will be right above the anchor)

If we call "L" the length of the hypothenuse, then what you want is to write dx/dt in terms of dL/dt (which is the number they give you). All you have to do is to write an expression relating x and L (and other known values), isolate x in terms of those constants and L, and differentiate both dised with respect to t. You will get dx/dt = expression in terms of constant, L and dL/dt.
2. A ladder 41 feet long was leaning against a vertical wall and begins to slip. Its top slides down the wall whilte its bottom moves along the level ground at a constant speed of 4ft/sec. How fast is the top of the ladder moving when it is 9 feet above the ground?

For this one.. I didn't even know what to do.. of course I drew a triangle, hypotenuse of 41 and the vertical side of 9 feet.. and then...?
Write an expression relating x and y (that is just Pythagora's theorem). Isolate y in terms of x and the length of the ladder. Differentiate both sides with respect to t. You will get dy/dt = expression in terms of the length of the ladder and x and dx/dt. You iwll need to calculate the value of x when y is equal to 9 feet. You plug dx/dt (which they give to you), x and you get your answer.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

What is a couple related rates problem?

A couple related rates problem involves finding the relationship between two changing quantities, where the rate of change of one quantity is dependent on the rate of change of the other quantity.

How do I approach solving a couple related rates problem?

The first step is to identify the two quantities involved and determine how they are related. Then, set up a rate equation that relates the two quantities and differentiate both sides with respect to time. Finally, plug in the given rates and solve for the unknown rate.

What are some common mistakes when solving couple related rates problems?

One common mistake is not properly setting up the rate equation or differentiating it correctly. Another mistake is not paying attention to units and converting them correctly. It is also important to carefully read the problem and identify which quantities are changing and which are constant.

How do I know if my answer is correct?

You can check your answer by plugging it back into the original rate equation and seeing if it satisfies the given rates. You can also use common sense and logic to make sure your answer makes sense in the context of the problem.

Can you give an example of a couple related rates problem?

Sure! An example could be a ladder leaning against a building. The base of the ladder is sliding away from the building at a rate of 2 feet per second, and the top of the ladder is sliding down the building at a rate of 1 foot per second. How fast is the angle between the ladder and the ground changing when the base of the ladder is 6 feet from the building? This problem involves finding the relationship between the length of the ladder, the distance from the building, and the angle, and using related rates to solve for the unknown rate.

Similar threads

Replies
6
Views
606
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
2
Views
5K
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
3
Views
4K
  • Calculus
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
1
Views
7K
Replies
4
Views
5K
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
1
Views
3K
Back
Top