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The problem involves modeling the growth of flu-like symptoms among students at Bacteria University using the function P(t) = 5e0.3t. Participants are tasked with finding the formula for the rate of change of infected students and evaluating it at t=10 days.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the differentiation of the exponential function and the application of the power rule, questioning the validity of their approaches. Some express confusion about the behavior of the model, particularly regarding the expected acceleration or deceleration of the infection rate.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing clarification regarding the differentiation process, with some participants suggesting the need for the chain rule. A few have acknowledged the need to reconsider their assumptions about the model's implications and the relationship between the mathematical representation and real-world scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of information about the total student population, which is relevant for understanding the model's predictions about infection rates. There is also a recognition that the model may not accurately reflect real-world dynamics of infection spread.

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Homework Statement


Students at Bacteria University begin showing flu-like symptoms. On the first day of term, 5 students have the flu. The growth of the number of infected students is modeled by

P(t) = 5e0.3t

What is a formula for the rate of change of the number of infected students in terms of t?

To the nearest whole number, what is the rate of change in the number of infected students when t=10 days?

Homework Equations


f(x) = xn
f'(x) = nxn-1

The Attempt at a Solution


P(t) = 5e0.3t
P'(t) = (5t*e)-0.3t
P'(10) = 50e-3
P'(10) = 1/50e3

Now I know that this deceleration is not right since the infection rate only starts decelerating when half of the population has been infected and it is very unlikely that half the population will be infected in 10 days.

However algebraically this makes sense since if you have a decimal exponent and you take the derivative you get a negative exponent in the derivative or in other words a fractional rate.
 
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Double check your equations and how you are differentiating.
 
I am using the power rule alone to differentiate it. I am also assuming that the variable stays in the exponent when I differentiate it using the power rule.

But the 0.3t is essentially a function of its own. So really it is like P(t) = af(t) where a = 5e

Is that why I am getting this deceleration in the rate when the rate should be accelerating instead?
 
caters said:
I am using the power rule alone to differentiate it. I am also assuming that the variable stays in the exponent when I differentiate it using the power rule.

But the 0.3t is essentially a function of its own. So really it is like P(t) = af(t) where a = 5e

Is that why I am getting this deceleration in the rate when the rate should be accelerating instead?

Using the power rule to differentiate an exponential function is incorrect. The power rule only applies to y = xn, where x is a variable and n is a constant exponent.

The number e is a constant, not a variable.

The function y = ex has its own derivative dy/dx. Do you know what it is?
 
The derivative of ex is ex

So would the derivative be the same as the original function in this case?
 
caters said:
The derivative of ex is ex

So would the derivative be the same as the original function in this case?
You're on the right track, but your function is not y = ex or even y = et. You also must apply the chain rule.
 
So it is like this where u=0.3t:

##5\frac{d}{dt} e^{0.3t}##
##= 5 \frac{d}{du} e^u * \frac{d}{dt} 0.3t##
##= 5e^u * 0.3##
##= \frac{3e^{0.3t}}{2}##
 
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This looks better.

Why are your formulas formatted so weird?
 
Well I used latex but didn't put the double dollar around the equal signs just the expressions. That is probably why you are seeing the equal signs in weird places.
 
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caters said:
Well I used latex but didn't put the double dollar around the equal signs just the expressions. That is probably why you are seeing the equal signs in weird places.
Fixed. Also changed to inline Tex, which doesn't center the equations.
 
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caters said:
Now I know that this deceleration is not right since the infection rate only starts decelerating when half of the population has been infected and it is very unlikely that half the population will be infected in 10 days.

However algebraically this makes sense since if you have a decimal exponent and you take the derivative you get a negative exponent in the derivative or in other words a fractional rate.

From your formula about 100 students would be infected after 10 days. You have given us no information to tell us this is half the students, and this number does not change anything except that's to infect 100 students there have to be at least 100 students to infect.
Do not confuse reality with models of it. There has to be a deceleration, but the model you give does not predict one!
 
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