Sturm-Liouville Theory Question

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The discussion revolves around a Sturm-Liouville theory problem involving a specific ordinary differential equation (ODE) and the orthogonality of its eigenfunctions. The original poster seeks to prove a relationship involving an integral of the derivatives of these eigenfunctions weighted by a function related to the Sturm-Liouville operator.

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  • Participants discuss integration by parts as a method to approach the problem, with varying degrees of success. Some express difficulty in eliminating terms that arise during integration, while others ask for clarification on specific steps taken in the integration process.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing with participants sharing their attempts and challenges. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct application of integration by parts, and there is an acknowledgment of the need for clearer communication of the steps taken in the attempts.

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Participants note the importance of the orthogonality condition for the eigenfunctions and the specific weight function used in the integral. There is an emphasis on ensuring that the integration by parts is executed correctly to reach the desired conclusion.

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Homework Statement


Given the ODE:
(1-x^2) \frac{d^2y}{d^2x} - x \frac{dy}{dx} + n^2 y = 0

and that the weight function of the differential operator -(1-x^2) \frac{d^2y}{d^2x} + x \frac{dy}{dx} is w = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-x^2}} to turn it into an SL operator, prove that:

\int_{-1}^{1} \frac{dy_m}{dx} \frac{dy_n}{dx} \sqrt{1-x^2} dx = 0

where y_m and y_n are orthogonal eigenfunctions of the ODE.

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I attempted integration by parts of the LHS of the proposition, but that didn't seem to go anywhere.
 
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Integration by parts worked for me.
 
vela said:
Integration by parts worked for me.

I tried integrating one of the derivatives, and differentiating everything else, but this ended with a 2nd derivative multiplied with a quotient.

I also tried integrating 1 and differentiating the integrand. To get rid of the second derivatives, I use the ODE to substitute, but that still gave me a quotient term I couldn't get rid of.

Can you point me in a specific direction?
 
Not really other than to say do the integration by parts correctly. Apparently you're doing something wrong or not seeing something, but without seeing your actual work, no one can say what it is. Vague descriptions aren't very helpful to us.
 
vela said:
Not really other than to say do the integration by parts correctly. Apparently you're doing something wrong or not seeing something, but without seeing your actual work, no one can say what it is. Vague descriptions aren't very helpful to us.

How did you start off, then? Which part of the integrand did you choose to integrate and differentiate?
 
N00813 said:
How did you start off, then? Which part of the integrand did you choose to integrate and differentiate?

Clearly one doesn't want to integrate y_n'\sqrt{1 - x^2}, so one must differentiate y_n'\sqrt{1 - x^2} and integrate y_m'. You want to end up with a multiple of
<br /> \int_{-1}^1 y_n(x) y_m(x) w(x)\,dx = \int_{-1}^1 \frac{y_n(x) y_m(x)}{\sqrt{1 - x^2}}\,dx<br />
which is zero if y_n and y_m are orthogonal.
 
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Ah, thanks.

Finally figured it out!
 

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