Why Do Hadrons Weigh More Than the Sum of Their Quarks?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the mass of hadrons, specifically why their mass exceeds the combined rest mass of their constituent quarks. Participants explore the implications of energy contributions in composite particles and the challenges of calculating hadron masses using quantum chromodynamics (QCD).

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why hadrons, such as protons, have a mass significantly greater than the sum of their quark masses, suggesting a formula for calculating hadron masses from quark components.
  • Another participant explains that the extra mass arises from the energy present in the hadron, referencing the equation E=mc² and describing the system as relativistic and highly energetic.
  • There is mention of lattice QCD as a method for calculating hadron masses, noted for its computational intensity and lack of simple analytic formulas.
  • A participant inquires about the number of gluons in a proton, to which it is stated that a proton does not have a definite number of gluons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a shared understanding that the mass of hadrons is influenced by energy contributions, but there is no consensus on a specific formula for calculating hadron masses from quark components. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of gluons in protons.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in current methods for calculating hadron masses, particularly the challenges associated with non-perturbative QCD and the absence of straightforward analytical solutions.

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why is it that a composite particle such as a hadron have a mass which is more than the combined rest mass of it's components? For example the proton has mass 938.27... MeV/c^2 whereas the quarks have masses only totalling approximately 8-12MeV/c^2?

I assume there is a formula used to calculate the combined mass of these particles, if so could someone please let me know it? Id like to be able to use it to be able to calculate masses of mesons and baryons from their quark components. Many thnaks
 
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roberto85 said:
why is it that a composite particle such as a hadron have a mass which is more than the combined rest mass of it's components? For example the proton has mass 938.27... MeV/c^2 whereas the quarks have masses only totalling approximately 8-12MeV/c^2?

The extra mass comes from the energy present in the hadron (recall E=m c^2). It's a relativistic, highly energetic system.


roberto85 said:
I assume there is a formula used to calculate the combined mass of these particles, if so could someone please let me know it? Id like to be able to use it to be able to calculate masses of mesons and baryons from their quark components.

Sounds great. I'd like that too! Unfortunately, our tools for calculating things non-perturbatively in QCD are extremely limited, and the masses of hadrons are not quantities that can be calculated in perturbation theory. The only method that I know of that can be used for such a thing is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lattice_QCD" , which is extremely computationally expensive, but has already been used successfully to calculate the mass of, e.g., a proton. There's definitely no simple analytic formula, as nice as that would be.
 
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oh yes lattice qcd. another question is how many gluons are in a proton?

the_house said:
The extra mass comes from the energy present in the hadron (recall E=m c^2). It's a relativistic, highly energetic system.




Sounds great. I'd like that too! Unfortunately, our tools for calculating things non-perturbatively in QCD are extremely limited, and the masses of hadrons are not quantities that can be calculated in perturbation theory. The only method that I know of that can be used for such a thing is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lattice_QCD" , which is extremely computationally expensive, but has already been used successfully to calculate the mass of, e.g., a proton. There's definitely no simple analytic formula, as nice as that would be.
 
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roberto85 said:
oh yes lattice qcd. another question is how many gluons are in a proton?

A proton does not have a definite number of gluons.
 

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