Subgroup proof - is this even true?

In summary, the conversation discusses proving that a group G cannot have a subgroup H with |H| = n - 1, where n = |G| > 2. It presents counter-examples such as the multiplicative group R and its subgroup, and the additive group Z and its subgroup of integer multiples of 2. The conversation also addresses the assumption that the group is finite and has an order of n.
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Homework Statement



Prove that G cannot have a subgroup H with |H| = n - 1, where n = |G| > 2.

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The Attempt at a Solution



Counter-example, the multiplicative group R and its subgroup, multiplicative group R+. Or, the additive group Z, and its subgroup of integer multiples of 2. What am I missing here? I think this is trivial for finite groups, but they don't say finite groups, they don't say anything.
 
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1MileCrash said:

Homework Statement



Prove that G cannot have a subgroup H with |H| = n - 1, where n = |G| > 2.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



Counter-example, the multiplicative group R and its subgroup, multiplicative group R+. Or, the additive group Z, and its subgroup of integer multiples of 2. What am I missing here? I think this is trivial for finite groups, but they don't say finite groups, they don't say anything.

Saying n=|G| implies that the group is finite and has order n. Otherwise |H| = n - 1 wouldn't make much sense.
 
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1. What is a subgroup?

A subgroup is a subset of a larger group that also forms a group under the same operation. It has the same properties as the larger group, but with a smaller set of elements.

2. How do you prove that a subset is a subgroup?

To prove that a subset is a subgroup, you need to show that it satisfies three conditions: closure, associativity, and the existence of an identity element. This can be done by showing that the subset contains all possible combinations of elements from the larger group and that it obeys the same rules as the larger group.

3. What is subgroup proof by verification?

Subgroup proof by verification is a method of proving that a subset is a subgroup by checking each of the three conditions (closure, associativity, and identity element) individually. This is done by checking every possible combination of elements from the subset and making sure that the result is also in the subset.

4. Can a subset be a subgroup of multiple groups?

Yes, a subset can be a subgroup of multiple groups. This can happen if the subset satisfies the three conditions for multiple groups. In this case, the subgroup is called a common subgroup of those groups.

5. What if a subset does not satisfy the three conditions for being a subgroup?

If a subset does not satisfy the three conditions for being a subgroup, then it is not a subgroup. In this case, the subset may still have some properties of the larger group, but it cannot be considered a subgroup.

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