Sun question: Determine the velocity of the gas

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The discussion revolves around determining the velocity of gas containing iron based on spectral line emissions observed from two points on the Sun's surface. The problem involves understanding the Zeeman effect and the Doppler effect in the context of astrophysics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between observed wavelengths and the velocity of gas, questioning how changes in wavelength relate to velocity. There is discussion about the need for frequency in calculations and the application of the Doppler effect.

Discussion Status

Some participants have begun to clarify their understanding of the Doppler effect and its application to the problem. Guidance has been offered regarding the use of the Zeeman effect formula for calculating magnetic field strength. Multiple interpretations of the calculations are being explored, with some participants expressing confusion while others are making progress.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention a lack of prior knowledge assumed in course materials, which may be impacting their ability to engage with the problem fully. There is also uncertainty regarding specific calculations and the correct application of formulas.

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Homework Statement



From near to the center of the solar disc, Fe I line emission from point X shows a spectral line with components 666.823, 666.830 and 666.837 nm, around the rest wavelength of 666.800 nm. The central component is not as bright as those at the longer and shorter wavelengths. Measurements at Y around 12,000 km away from X on the Sun’s surface show three components at 666.826, 666.829 and 666.832. In this case, the central component is brighter than the components at longer and shorter wavelengths.

For X and Y determine the velocity of the gas containing the iron relative to the observer.

Calculate the magnetic field strength at each point

Homework Equations


I think the Zeeman effect is involved.

The Attempt at a Solution


I don't want to be told the answer. I would like to work it out myself. However, the course notes assume prior knowledge, and I don't know where to start. If I could just be pointed in the right direction, that would be a great help. Thank you.
 
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What is the central wavelength for Fe I at rest?
Why does it change with velocity, and how much?
 
I do appreciate your help, but I am still confused. Thank you for answering though.
 
Which part is unclear?
 
Pretty much all of it. I'm out of my depth.
To calculate the velocity of a wavelength, don't we need to know the frequency as well? I don't know any other way of doing it.

To calculate the magnetic field strength, I think I start with Zeeman effect formula and re-arrange it so B is the subject:

delta λ= (e/4πcme ) λ02 B

I'm not certain though.
Thank you
 
artworkmonkey said:
To calculate the velocity of a wavelength, don't we need to know the frequency as well?
There is no "velocity of a wavelength". You can convert wavelengths to frequencies if you like - you know the speed of light.
artworkmonkey said:
To calculate the magnetic field strength, I think I start with Zeeman effect formula and re-arrange it so B is the subject
Looks good. Not sure about the prefactor but that is something the source for the formula will cover.
 
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I think I understand the first part now. It uses the Doppler Effect. First I convert from nm to "meters of Å". 0.1Ån = 1nm
Spectral line now has components 6668.23, 6668.30 and 6668.37 Åm, around the rest wavelength of 6668 Åm.
Speed of light is 299792458 m / s
Dopplar equation is:

V= (c * delta wavelength) / rest wavelength

V= (299792 458 m/s * 0.14) / 6668

V=6294m/s

Does this make sense?
Thank you
 
Why is delta wavelength 0.14Å, not (6668.30-6668)Å?

Apart from that: Looks good.
 
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Ah, I can see now that I subtracted to wrong figure. I think I can have a good go at these questions now.
Thank you, mfb, for all your help and guidance on this. It has been very much appreciated. :)
 
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