Super-luminous Sphere Fading: Will Smaller or Larger Spheres Fade Away First?

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The discussion centers around the question of whether two spheres, one with a radius of 1 metre and the other with a radius of 2 metres, will fade away simultaneously or if one will fade before the other due to their super-luminous velocities. The scope includes theoretical considerations of superluminal speeds and their implications.

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  • One participant questions whether both spheres will fade away simultaneously or if one will fade before the other, given their super-luminous velocities.
  • Another participant suggests that the concept of superluminal speed may not have physical consequences, referencing a discussion on the impossibility of superluminal speeds.
  • A third participant elaborates on the definitions of speed and rapidity in special relativity, indicating that the definitions used in cosmology do not easily generalize to curved spacetimes.
  • There are repeated references to external discussions and articles that challenge the premise of the original question, suggesting it may be moot.

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Participants express differing views on the relevance and implications of superluminal speeds, with some arguing that the question itself may be moot while others engage with the theoretical aspects of the fading of the spheres.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of speed and the physical implications of superluminal velocities, as well as the applicability of concepts from special relativity to cosmological scenarios.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring theoretical physics, particularly concepts related to superluminal speeds, cosmology, and the implications of special relativity.

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Please excuse the obscurity of the question but say there are two spheres: sphere A has a radius of 1 metre and sphere B has a radius of 2 metres. Both sphere have super- luminous velocites (they are both exactly c/H metres from us) and due to the extent of their velocities they will begin to fade. My question is that will both spheres "fade away" simultaneously or will sphere A "fade away" before sphere B or vice versa?
 
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The concept of "superluminal" speed in this context is a red herring that, as far as I know, has no physical consequences. The only physical consequence of which I know is for the significance of a damping term for cosmological perturbations, but that is not something that we are discussing here.

Maybe some someone else, like Brian, knows some physical consequences.

Note the scare quotes above. Since speed = distance/time, the definition of "speed" depends on the definitions of "distance" and "time". The definitions used in special relativity do not generalize easily to the curved spacetimes of cosmology. The definitions used in cosmology are, however, are easily applied in special relativity. When this done, cosmological speed turns out to rapidity (also known as the velocity parameter). In special relativity (with ##c=1##), the relationship between speed ##v## and rapidity ##w## is

$$v =\tanh w.$$

Consequently, ##0<v<1## gives ##0<w<\infty##, and ##w=1## (i.e., ##w=c##) has no physical significance.

Note that even though speeds don't add algebraically in special relativity, rapidities do add algebraically in special relativity, just like the cosmological speeds in equation (20) from the paper to which Andrew linked

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/reason-for-galaxy-fading.869954/#post-5461870
 
Since this thread has run its course my use of mute has been corrected, I will now close it.

Thanks for all the great answers.
 

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