Why is beta decay suppressed in a free neutron?

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Janitor
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Beta Beta decay Decay
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the phenomenon of beta decay in free neutrons versus neutrons within a nucleus. Participants explore the conditions under which free neutrons exist, the mechanisms that influence beta decay rates, and the role of particle exchanges within the nucleus.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how free neutrons are maintained in a vacuum without touching chamber walls, suggesting that the neutron's magnetic moment might play a role.
  • Another participant proposes that beta decay is suppressed in a nucleus due to the collective energy of the system, arguing that if a neutron decays to a proton, it would lead to an unstable configuration due to electric repulsion.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the explanation of beta decay suppression and seeks clarification on the role of charged versus neutral pions in nuclear exchanges.
  • There is a discussion about the energy levels of neutrons and protons in shells, with one participant speculating that exchanges between particles in the same shell might be less problematic.
  • Another participant mentions that nuclear models utilize a set of four particles, including a sigma particle, which complicates the relationship with pions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement regarding the mechanisms behind beta decay suppression. There is no clear consensus on the role of pions or the implications of particle exchanges within the nucleus.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the interactions involved in beta decay and the limitations of their current understanding, particularly regarding the nature of pion exchanges and energy levels in nuclear shells.

Janitor
Science Advisor
Messages
1,108
Reaction score
1
A free neutron is said to have a half life of something around 15 minutes, or maybe it's 18 minutes, I can't remember exactly. This brings up a couple of questions.

(1) How does the experimenter maintain a neutron in a free state? Presumably maintaining a high vacuum is one requirement, but given a vacuum chamber, how does one keep a neutron from touching a wall of the chamber? Is the nonzero magnetic moment of the neutron somehow utilized?

(2) Why is beta decay typically suppressed when the neutron is inside of a nucleus? Once the neutron is part of a nucleus, depending on the particular isotope, it may last billions of years. What is going on? I know that once in a nucleus, the neutrons and protons interconvert due to exchange of charged pions. But one might naively assume that the nucleons would then beta decay in about twice the half life of a free neutron, because of the thought that any given nucleon is spending half of its time as a stable proton. (Actually, I think protons can also decay in certain highly-energetic nuclear states, but that's a topic for another discussion.)
 
Physics news on Phys.org
(2) Because the neutron is *part* of the nucleus, it is not only that it interconverts, it is that it is part of a system having a collective energy, so decay is not favoured. See it from this way: if it decays to a proton, due to electric repulsion the nucleus will have too many protons, so the energy of the nucleus must be higher than having a neutron and some proton should decay to a neutron again. So to avoid this vicious circle, the neutron does not decay in first place.

Ah, please note the neutral pion :-) In fact, most of the exchanges in nucleus do not need to carry electrical charge.
 
if it decays to a proton, due to electric repulsion the nucleus will have too many protons- arivero

Arivero, you may very well be right in your explanation; I read it several times trying to get it to sink in.

Another naive thought is that about 2/3 of the pions being exchanged in the nucleus would be the charged pions, since there are twice as many pions of the charged type as of the uncharged type. Can you offer a reason why "most of the exchanges in the nucleus do not need to carry electrical charge"?
 
Olias, you should read "Space-Time Code", by David Filkenstein :-)

Janitor said:
Arivero, you may very well be right in your explanation; I read it several times trying to get it to sink in.

It seems that the more I use the internet, the more I forget my English :-(
I apologise.

Another naive thought is that about 2/3 of the pions being exchanged in the nucleus would be the charged pions, since there are twice as many pions of the charged type as of the uncharged type. Can you offer a reason why "most of the exchanges in the nucleus do not need to carry electrical charge"?

My internal reasoning here was that neutrons and protons are filling shells with different energy levels, so if they exchange, they are probably to be forced to jump to other shell. On the other hand, exchanges with the same kind particle in the same shell seemed to me less problematic. Hmm I see, it is very weak as an argument. Perhaps I am wrong here.

On other hand, the people doing nuclear models use a set of four particles whose correspondence with the pions is not straightforward. One of these, the sigma particle, is supposed to be a pair of pions (a friend likes to call it a tetraquark).
 
Actually I was not criticizing your English writing skill. I was just having trouble figuring out how your explanation works is all.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
5K
  • · Replies 32 ·
2
Replies
32
Views
5K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K