Surjective, injective and predicate

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of surjective and injective functions, as well as the interpretation of predicates as characteristic functions of sets. Participants are exploring how to determine the properties of functions and the implications of these properties in various contexts.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to understand how to check if a function is surjective or injective, with some discussing the definitions and implications of these terms. Questions arise about the nature of predicates and how they relate to characteristic functions. There is also exploration of whether the sum of two surjective functions is surjective.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing definitions and attempting to clarify concepts. Some express uncertainty about the implications of certain properties and seek further guidance on how to approach the problems presented.

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There is a request for detailed instructions and explicit definitions, indicating a potential gap in understanding foundational concepts. The discussion also highlights the need for examples or counterexamples to solidify understanding of surjectivity and injectivity.

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Homework Statement



How do I check if my function is surjective?

How do I check if my function is injective?

Suppose my function is a predicate and hence characteristic function of some set. How do I determine such a set?

Homework Equations



Does anyone know to write "The function f: A->B is not surjective? and The function f:A-> B is not injective?" in SYMBOLS using quantifiers and operators.

The Attempt at a Solution



If I have two finite sets, and a function between them. I can compute the value of the function at each point of its domain, I can count and compare sets elements, but I don't know how to do anything else.
I need detailed, explicit instructions for answering the questions IN WORDS. Can anyone help me to solve this problem.

Cheers mate
 
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reven said:

Homework Statement



How do I check if my function is surjective?

How do I check if my function is injective?
By showing that the definitions of "surjective" and "injective" hold, of course. For example, to show that a function, f, from A to B, is surjective, you must show that, if y is any member of B, then there exist x in A so that f(x)= y. To show that a function, f, from A to B, is injective, you must show that if f(x1)= y and f(x2)= y, where x1 and x2 are members of A and y is a member of B, then x1= x2.

Suppose my function is a predicate and hence characteristic function of some set. How do I determine such a set?
Sorry, I don't recognize the term "predicate" as applied to functions.

Homework Equations



Does anyone know to write "The function f: A->B is not surjective? and The function f:A-> B is not injective?" in SYMBOLS using quantifiers and operators.
I would say that "f is not surjective" means "There exist y in B such that, for all x in X, it is not true that f(x)= y" and "f is not injective" means "for all y in B, if there exist x1 in X such that f(x1)= y and there exist x2 in X such that f(x2)= y, then x1= x2."

The Attempt at a Solution



If I have two finite sets, and a function between them. I can compute the value of the function at each point of its domain, I can count and compare sets elements, but I don't know how to do anything else.
I need detailed, explicit instructions for answering the questions IN WORDS. Can anyone help me to solve this problem.

Cheers mate
You need to know the DEFINITIONS of "injective" and "surjective"!
 
I was wondering, if f: R -> R is surjective and g: R -> R is surjective, then is f + g also surjective? Intuitively the answer seems to be yes, and I can't think of any counterexamples. Perhaps I'm not thinking hard enough.
 
snipez90 said:
I was wondering, if f: R -> R is surjective and g: R -> R is surjective, then is f + g also surjective? Intuitively the answer seems to be yes, and I can't think of any counterexamples. Perhaps I'm not thinking hard enough.

f(x)=x is surjective (and injective), g(x)=-x is also surjective (and injective), what is the sum of f and g?
 
Ah, okay, thanks. These questions come up so often in my theoretical calc class and they often amount to using the additive and multiplicative inverses for counter examples. I need to keep that in mind.
 

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