Suspend a magnet on a pendulum above a repelling magnet

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of suspending a magnet on a pendulum above a repelling magnet and whether this setup could achieve perpetual motion. Participants conclude that while the pendulum may appear to keep moving due to sensitivity to vibrations and airflow, it will eventually stop at a specific angle due to gravitational forces and the repelling force of the magnet. The concept of perpetual motion is dismissed as unattainable, aligning with established principles of physics.

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Hi, I was pondering a question after seeing a video about chaotic magnetic pendulums.

If you were to suspend a magnet on a pendulum above a repelling magnet, would it stop moving or would you get perpetual motion?

My guess is it would stop moving but I can't think of how. Gravity would try to pull the pendulum to the center put the repelling force of the magnet in the center would prevent it from stopping there. I don't see it stopping at a certain angle if the friction on the attachment point of the rod is low, thus creating perpetual motion.

I'm an arborist by profession (no more physics involved than judging which side of the tree is heavier and where its going to land when I cut it down) and I have a feeling I'm overlooking something obvious here because so many attempts at perpetual motion machines have been made and none seem to work.

I hope someone here can (and I certainly think someone can) awnser my question before I go out building myself some silly science experiment to lead myself to an obvious conclusion.

Thanks in advance and sorry for my butchered English.
 
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Happyholland said:
My guess is it would stop moving but I can't think of how. Gravity would try to pull the pendulum to the center put the repelling force of the magnet in the center would prevent it from stopping there. I don't see it stopping at a certain angle if the friction on the attachment point of the rod is low, thus creating perpetual motion.
It will eventually stop at angle. Since there is not a single equilibrium point, the pendulum will be very sensitive to any vibration or air flow, and may appear to keep moving, but that doesn't make it perpetual motion.
 

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