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The discussion revolves around a problem involving lens magnification and the relationships between object distances, image distances, and focal lengths. Participants explore the mathematical relationships and corrections related to the magnification of images produced by a lens, including the setup of equations based on a provided diagram.

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  • One participant presents a diagram and sets up equations related to lens magnification, defining variables for object and image distances.
  • Another participant expresses understanding of the problem after reviewing the initial solution.
  • A later reply identifies mistakes in the initial setup, noting that the image should be upside down and that the image distance for one object is closer than previously stated.
  • Additional corrections are made to the drawing and equations to reflect the accurate relationships and to demonstrate that the setup is to scale.
  • One participant mentions solving the problem independently after understanding the concept presented.

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The discussion contains corrections and refinements, indicating that initial claims were contested. Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial setup, but there is acknowledgment of the corrections made.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings of the lens formula and magnification concepts, as well as the need for clarity in the diagram's representation of distances and relationships.

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Hi DaalChawal,

First a diagram:
\begin{tikzpicture}[scale=2]
\def\u{2.5}
\def\v{3.75}
\def\x{1.5}
\def\f{1.5}
\coordinate[label=above: A] (A) at ({-(\u+2)},1.5);
\coordinate[label=below: D] (D) at ({-(\u+2)},-1.5);
\coordinate[label=above: B] (B) at (-\u,.5);
\coordinate[label=below: C] (C) at (-\u,-.5);
\coordinate[label=F] (F) at (-\f,0);
\coordinate[label=F] (F') at (\f,0);

\coordinate[label=below: A'] (A') at ({\v-\x},{-\x/2});
\coordinate[label=above: D'] (D') at ({\v-\x},{\x/2});
\coordinate[label=below: B'] (B') at (\v,{-\x/2});
\coordinate[label=above: C'] (C') at (\v,{\x/2});

\draw (-6,0) -- (5,0);
\draw[ultra thick] (0,-2) -- (0,2) node[ above ] {+};
\filldraw (F) circle (.03);
\filldraw (F') circle (.03);
\draw (A) -- (B) -- (C) -- (D) -- cycle;
\draw (A') -- (B') -- (C') -- (D') -- cycle;
\draw[yshift=-0.1cm, latex-latex] ({-(\u+2)},0) -- node[ below ] {2} (-\u,0);
\draw[xshift=-0.1cm, latex-latex] ({-(\u+2)},1.5) -- node[ above left] {3} ({-(\u+2)},-1.5);
\draw[xshift=-0.1cm, latex-latex] (-\u,0.5) -- node[ above left] {1} (-\u,-0.5);
\draw[yshift=-0.1cm, latex-latex] ({\v-\x)},{\x/2}) -- node[ below ] {$x$} (\v,{\x/2});
\draw[xshift=0.1cm, latex-latex] (\v,{\x/2}) -- node[ above right ] {$x$} (\v,{-\x/2});
\draw[yshift=-0.1cm, latex-latex] (-\u,0) -- node[ below ] {$u$} (0,0);
\draw[yshift=-0.1cm, latex-latex] (0,0) -- node[ below ] {$v$} (\v,0);

\draw[help lines] (B) -- (B');
\draw[help lines] (B) -- (0,0.5) -- (B');
\draw[help lines] (B) -- (0,{-\f/(\u-\f)*0.5}) -- (B');
\draw[help lines] (A) -- (A');
\draw[help lines] (A) -- (0,1.5) -- (A');
\draw[help lines] (A) -- (0,{-\f/((\u+2)-\f)*1.5}) -- (A');

\end{tikzpicture}Let $x$ be the side length of the square in the image.
Let $f$ be the focal length of the lens.
Let $u$ be the distance of $BC$ to the lens and let $v$ be the distance of its image to the lens.
Then $u+2$ is the distance of $AD$ to the lens, and $v-x$ is the distance of its image to the lens.

The magnification of an object, which is the size of the image over the size of the object, is the same as the image distance over the object distance.
So the magnification of $BC$ is: $\frac{B'C'}{BC}=\frac x 1=\frac{v}{u}$.
The magnification of $AD$ is: $\frac{A'D'}{AD} = \frac x 3 = \frac{v-x}{u+2}$.
Furthermore, the lens formula tells us that $\frac 1u+\frac 1v=\frac 1f$ and $\frac 1{u+2}+\frac 1{v-x}=\frac 1f$.

So:
\begin{cases}\frac x 1=\frac{v}{u} \\ \frac x 3= \frac{v-x}{u+2} \\ \frac 1u+\frac 1v=\frac 1f \\ \frac 1{u+2}+\frac 1{v-x}=\frac 1f
\end{cases}

Solve?
 
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Thanks, I got it now.
 
I had actually made a couple of mistakes.
The image should be upside down .
And the image of $AD$ is closer instead of further away. That is, its image distance is $v-x$ instead of $v+x$.
It becomes apparent when we actually try to solve the equations.

I've updated the drawing and the formulas in my previous post.
And I've also added some extra help lines to show that it actually works and is to scale.
 
Well sir, I only read your solution that what was the concept used and then I tried on my own and I got the answer 😅
 

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