Symbolic manipulation program required

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The discussion revolves around the use of symbolic manipulation software in the context of General Relativity (GR), specifically focusing on whether such software can perform manipulations without specifying a metric. Participants explore alternatives to GRtensor and the requirements for symbolic manipulation in GR.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that GRtensor requires a metric to perform calculations, suggesting that without it, the software cannot raise or lower indices of tensors.
  • Another participant proposes that it is possible to leave the components of the metric as unknown functions, thus allowing for some flexibility in manipulation.
  • A different participant inquires about the specific types of manipulations needed, indicating that GRtensor is designed for metric manipulation while other software like Maple may handle different mathematical tasks.
  • The original poster expresses a need to prove general identities in GR without tying them to a specific metric, questioning whether GRtensor allows for an arbitrary metric defined by variables.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether symbolic manipulation can be effectively performed without specifying a metric, and there are competing views on the capabilities of different software packages.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the extent to which GRtensor can accommodate arbitrary metrics and the implications of using unknown functions for metric components in symbolic manipulation.

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Hi...

I have just started using GRtensor...
I realize that the calculations in GRtensor have to be done only after specifying a metric...

Is there any package which can directly do symbolic manipulation without using the metric?
 
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As far as I know, you always have to specify a metric in symbolic manipulation software. Otherwise the software would not know how to "raise" and "lower" indices of vectors, tensors, etc. Of course you always have the possibility to leave the components of the metric as unknown functions.

If you look for an alternative of GRTensor you could try th Excalc package in Reduce: http://www.uni-koeln.de/REDUCE/3.6/doc/excalc/"
 
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What sort of manipulations are you looking for? GRTensor makes it easy to manipulate a metric, which you can make as general as you like, Maple makes it easy to manipulate other mathematical thigns like ordinary and differential equations, plus a bunch of other things.

So I'm not getting a clear picture of what you're looking for...
 
I have to prove some general identities in GR...and not for a particular metric..

In GRtensor, can we put a metric to be arbitrary? Can we just set g_{ab}= g_{ab}(e,f,g,h) where e, f, g and h are arbitrary variables...and not give an explicit form?
 

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