Symmetrical Summation with Central Point | Solving for a(0) to a(N-1/2)

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The discussion revolves around a summation problem involving a symmetrical function defined from 0 to N-1. The original poster seeks to express a summation that yields a specific sequence of values: "1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2". The context suggests a focus on the properties of symmetry in the function.

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  • Participants explore the meaning of the summation and its expected output. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the summation and the relationship between different formulations of the expression. The original poster attempts to clarify their goal of achieving a specific summation format without subtracting a term at the end.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with some participants providing suggestions for functions that might fit the desired output. However, there is a lack of consensus on the necessity and value of the proposed functions, and some participants express confusion about the original intent of the question.

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There are indications of differing interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the nature of the function and the summation's structure. The discussion also touches on the potential use of discrete versus continuous functions, highlighting the need for clarity in definitions and objectives.

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Homework Statement



I need a summation where the answer is 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2

Homework Equations



a(0) + sum(2*a(1) + 2*a(2) +2*a(3))

The Attempt at a Solution



I unfortunately have no idea where to start, basically it is taking a symmetrical function from 0 to N-1. where the function is symmetric from the center point.

I have an answer for it which is

a(N-1/2) + sum_n=1^(N-1)/2 (2*a[((N-1)/2) - n])

However I wanted to put it all inside the summation
 
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I've no idea what you mean.
In what sense does a summation have an answer like "1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2" rather than a single number?
What does a(0) + sum(2*a(1) + 2*a(2) +2*a(3)) mean? Do you mean a(0) + sum(2*a(1) + 2*a(2) +2*a(3) + ...)? If so, how is that different from 2(∑an) - a0?
From the mention of symmetry, I'm guessing this comes from ##\Sigma_{n=-N}^Na_n##, where a-n = an, but I still don't understand what you wish to achieve.
What quantity does your final equation represent?
 
Sorry, the "1 2 2 2 2 ..." bit was basically was how I wanted each part of the summation to equate to, so essentially it would be "1 + 2 + 2 + 2 ..."

"2(∑an) - a0" is the exact same as "a0 + 2(∑an)" with the exception that n goes from 0->N for the first one and 1->N for the second one.

Basically I want to achieve this, "2(∑an) - a0", without having to subtract the a0 at the end.
 
Still unclear.. are you looking for an algebraic function f(n) that takes the values f(0) = 1, f(n) = 2 for n > 1? So that you can write ∑n>=0anf(n)?
 
yes that's exactly what I'm looking to do
 
You want ##f(n) = 2-\textrm{sinc}(n)##, where sinc is the normalized sinc function:$$
\textrm{sinc} (x) = \begin{cases}
\frac {\sin(\pi x)}{\pi x}&x \ne 0\\
1 & x = 0
\end{cases}$$
 
LCKurtz said:
You want ##f(n) = 2-\textrm{sinc}(n)##, where sinc is the normalized sinc function:$$
\textrm{sinc} (x) = \begin{cases}
\frac {\sin(\pi x)}{\pi x}&x \ne 0\\
1 & x = 0
\end{cases}$$

Cute, but I don't see the value in this. As you note, that function has to have a separate definition at x=0. So why not use Kronecker delta? I see nothing in the thread to suggest a continuous function is required.
JeeebeZ, why do you want such a function? What ultimately are you trying to achieve?
 
haruspex said:
Cute, but I don't see the value in this.

Agreed. But then, I don't see any point to the original question either.
 

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