Synchronous Generator Power factor

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The discussion centers around calculating the power factor (PF) of a Permanent Magnet Synchronous Generator (PMSG) designed for a direct drive wind turbine application. Participants explore the implications of using a converter-inverter pair and how this setup affects the determination of power factor, particularly given that the generator is not directly connected to the load.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in calculating the power factor of a PMSG, noting that the generator is not directly connected to the load and questioning the relevance of load nature on the PF.
  • Another participant, Mike, shares insights from his experience with BLDC motor drives, suggesting a preference for trapezoidal BEMF for better current stability and conversion efficiency, but does not directly address the PF question.
  • A later reply provides equations related to generator output and power factor, referencing data from a source, but notes that current distortion complicates the application of power factor in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on how to determine the power factor of the PMSG, with multiple viewpoints presented regarding the influence of the converter-inverter setup and the nature of the load.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the application of power factor due to current distortion and the specific setup of the generator and load. The discussion includes references to equations and data that may not fully resolve the complexities involved.

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Hello everyone,

I would like to ask a little help from you guys. I am designing a Permanent Magnet Synchronous Generator (PMSG) for a Wind turbine application which is of direct drive (DD) type. Being a DD type PMSG the frequency of the output is very low and hence I had to employ converter Inverter pair to improve the frequency. Now, how do I calculate the power factor (PF) of the PMSG? As the PMSG is not directly connected to the load, I believe that the PF does not depend on the load nature. Can someone help me by providing any equations or any research papers and any other material that can help me finding out the PF of the PMSG.

Thank you very much.
 
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Hello,

Mike here. I used to design BLDC motor drives. Generally, we'd fall with one of two windings, trapezoidal BEMF and sinusoidal BEMF. I were making a generator, I'd certainly prefer the prior, because the current can fairly be steady through each phase pair, and you'll get good conversion because the BEMF is likewise flat.

In fact, I'd simply use a high speed rectifiers in a three phase bridge directly off the motor phases and boost convert it to your link voltage using a single IGBT/FET. Easy cheesy and no complex commutation to work out. :)

- Mike
 
Mike_In_Plano said:
Hello,

Mike here. I used to design BLDC motor drives. Generally, we'd fall with one of two windings, trapezoidal BEMF and sinusoidal BEMF. I were making a generator, I'd certainly prefer the prior, because the current can fairly be steady through each phase pair, and you'll get good conversion because the BEMF is likewise flat.

In fact, I'd simply use a high speed rectifiers in a three phase bridge directly off the motor phases and boost convert it to your link voltage using a single IGBT/FET. Easy cheesy and no complex commutation to work out. :)

- Mike

Thank you for the quick reply Mike. But I don't really think you got my question or may be I am unable to understand your answer. I was actually asking how to find out the Generator's power factor. Generally, the power factor of the generator is decided by the type of the load connected to it. But in my case I have a set of converter inverter connected in between the generator and the load and hence the type of the load does not affect the power factor in the generator. So I am trying to find out the way to know the power factor in the generator. Thanks once again for your time.
 
For Three-Phase Bridge and resitive load
Generator RMS volts line-to-line=0.740 X Average dc voltage output
Generator RMS line current=0.816 X Average dc output current

Above from Reference Data for Radio Engineers 5th Edition
Above was for transformers, but also apply to generators

Current is distorted so power factor doesn't apply.
The KVA of the transformer/gererator is 1.05 X the KW of the load.
The preceding neglects the voltage drop of the diodes.
 

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