System of Differential Equations

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The discussion revolves around a system of differential equations involving two functions, x(t) and y(t), with specific initial conditions. The original poster seeks to solve for y(t) without determining x(t), which leads to various attempts and considerations regarding the equations provided.

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  • Participants explore integration of the equations and the implications of initial conditions on the solutions. There is a focus on how to handle constants introduced during integration and the relationship between x(t) and y(t). Some participants question whether the boundary conditions are appropriately applied and if they constrain the solution effectively.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning assumptions about the initial conditions and the solvability of the system. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of the solutions and the potential to eliminate variables.

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There is mention of the initial conditions for both x(t) and y(t), with some confusion about their implications. Participants are also considering the possibility of alternative approaches to the problem, including the potential for rewriting the equations to simplify the process.

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Homework Statement


Solve for y(t). You need not find x(t).
[tex]2x' + y' - y = t[/tex]
[tex]x' + y' = t^2[/tex]
x(0) = 1, y(0) = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


[tex]2Dx + (D - 1)[y] = t[/tex]
[tex]Dx + Dy = t^2[/tex]
[tex]2D^2x + (D^2 - D)[y] = 1[/tex]
[tex]2D^2x + 2D^2y = 4t[/tex]
[tex](D^2 + D)[y] = 4t - 1[/tex]
[tex]y'' + y' = 4t - 1[/tex]
I solved the above equation using undetermined coefficients. It's a lot of writing, so I'll just put the answer here:
[tex]y(t) = 2t^2 - 5t + C_{1} + C_{2}E^{-t}[/tex]
Using the initial value y(0) = 0
[tex]0 = C_{1} + C_{2}[/tex]
[tex]C_{1} = -C_{2}[/tex]

I'm stuck at applying the other initial value. It says you don't need to find x(t), so I was wondering if there is a way to do this without going through and solving for x(t) then solving for the constants and such.
 
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Integrating both sides of x'+ y'= t2, you get x(t)+ y(t)= (1/3)t3. In particular, x(0)+ y(0)= 0.
 
When doing that integration, isn't a constant introduced into the equation?
[tex]x + y = \frac{t^3}{3} + C_{3}[/tex]
[tex]x = \frac{t^3}{3} + C_{3} - y[/tex]
[tex]x = \frac{t^3}{3} + C_{3} - 2t^2 + 5t - C_{1} - C_{2}E^{-t}[/tex]


I also tried
[tex]x + y = \frac{t^3}{3} + C_{3}[/tex]
let t = 0
[tex]x(0) + y(0) = C_{3}[/tex]
[tex]1 + 0 = C_{3}[/tex]
[tex]x(t) = \frac{t^3}{3} + 1 - 2t^2 + 5t - C_{1} - C_{2}E^{-t}[/tex]
x(0) = 1
[tex]1 = 1 - C_{1} - C_{2}[/tex]
[tex]C_{1} = -C_{2}[/tex]
Which is the same thing I got before.

*EDIT* sorry, the initial condition for x was x(0) = 1.
 
Oh, blast! You are right!
 
So, is this solvable?
 
odie5533 said:
So, is this solvable?

If x(t) solves your equations, then so does x(t)+C. A value for x(0) doesn't constrain the solution in any way. Are you sure the boundary condition isn't for x'(0)? BTW you could avoid introducing an extra derivative and just written a first order equation for y.
 
Oh, very good, Dick. I'm embarassed I didn't see that. (Don't worry, in few minutes I will have convinced myself that I did!)

From the second equation, x'= t2- y^2 so you can eliminate x' from the first equation.
 

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